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How do you think racism started? Did it start for humor or perhaps by the white’s stereotyping the blacks? No matter if you think racism was a bigger issue or not, this is how it starts. If these girls don’t stand up for what they believe in then who knows what would happen!

So shall we call it…

Sororitism?

What about all the nationally published cartoons which portray the Republican or Democratic Parties in a negative light.According to numerous cartoons democrats are trying to kill jobs by taxing everyone, they hates rich people!

or

According to other cartoons the republicans ONLY care for the rich, they hate poor people!

See, in the cartoons depicting democrats, the artist has a perspective that the increased tax revenue will diminish job creation. While the cartoons depicting republicans are created by people who see the republican ideology of free market capitalism as only benefiting the rich. These are cartoons, combining opinion, personal experience, and are highly caricatured.

Let us not forget all the cartoons which promote stereotypes of musicians with drugs, athletes with steroids, and celebrities with sex scandals. Are they implying all musicians do drugs? Should all of the San Francisco Giants take personal offense to the numerous editorial cartoons depicting Barry Bonds using Steroids? The answer is no.

If you are offended, take this Quote from Saint Augustine forward with you.

“Hope has two beautiful daughters: their names are anger and courage. Anger that things are the way they are. Courage to make them the way they ought to be.”

Have the courage to invite the few Greek sisters and brothers that are perpetuating the stereotype to study and do community service with you on the weekends.

CLEARLY you have no idea how much community service the greek community does every year, how much money they raise for various foundations, and scholarships.  Obviously you know nothing about the greek community or you would know that everyone in a greek organization is constantly doing community service!

Please forgive my sarcasm; but I am duly impressed an blown away that EVERYONE in a greek organization is CONSTANTLY doing community service. I would be fascinated to study how they biologically function since they obviously have no time for eating, drinking, sleeping or using the restroom. It is amazing they find time to study considering they are up all day and night performing community service.

CLEARLY I have no idea. Thanks for educating me.

If you were a virtuous person, you wouldn’t need to pledge yourself to a fundamentally useless and redundant society to achieve such things. You’re attending college for one purpose, the achievement of higher learning. Anything beyond such is at best a distraction and at worst an excuse. Maybe you should reevaluate why you are where you are, or just become a social worker if such activities are what you want to do with your life.

Being virtuous has nothing to do with joining or not joining a greek organization. Get out of His House and begin to experience life. 

I have to agree with “If you were a virtuous person, you wouldn’t need to pledge yourself to a fundamentally useless and redundant society to achieve such things. You’re attending college for one purpose, the achievement of higher learning. Anything beyond such is at best a distraction and at worst an excuse. Maybe you should reevaluate why you are where you are, or just become a social worker if such activities are what you want to do with your life.”

I can do everything that greeks claim they do (make friends, network, do community service, DRINK  ALOT, find leadership opportunities) and not waste my money or reputation.

In reality I think we all just need to realize that 90% of greeks plegde for 2 reasons alone, STATUS and PARTYING. Thats all everyone ever talks about when they are casually talking about their sorority or fraternity, but I’ll be darned if all the amazing community service and leadership potential only flies until they are put on the spot to defend themselves. 

Maybe it’s time for FSU GreekLife to re-evaluate their purpose on campus and work harder towards their so called strengths.

Yea Sleeping with every frat boy that comes their way is a real community “service”

Truly. It is. Because those idiots couldn’t get a girl otherwise.

Please excuse my truth, but I’ve never once seen a greek road crew try cleaning any streets, or lifting a finger themselves for helping others. At most they attend a booth and ask others to give money. I’d rather give to the Red Cross, which is right across the street from their booth. Lip service to community service doesn’t do anything to endear the greek system to me.

Please excuse my truth, but I’ve never once seen a greek road crew try cleaning any streets, or lifting a finger themselves for helping others. At most they attend a booth and ask others to give money. I’d rather give to the Red Cross, which is right across the street from their booth. Lip service to community service doesn’t do anything to endear the greek system to me.

I wasn’t aware Keggers were considered community service. Oh, wait. Is this court ordered community service?

CLEARLY most of us speculate that it is only because they are required to do so, and that it is mostly to improve their already less than great image 🙂

Amen on the St. Augustine quote.  I think the reactions that some people are having publicly is more damaging to the image of the Greek system that this cartoon is.

You’re cheapening the plight of the civil rights movement by their (still unresolved) disparities with the honest critique of sorority life. 

The fact that all the greekophiles are here circle-jerking over how perfect their organizations are is only further reinforcing the very sentiment that led to this comic in the first place: 

That the perceive that their “club” somehow makes them better members of society; when this clearly is not the case. 

This is the product of inflated ego and self delusion. Risking the use of an anecdote I’ll just say that the Greekhouse 200m from my apartment building is decrepit, dirty, constantly having parties and people passing out on the lawn. 

I have only seen one “fundraiser” on campus by them so far. 

Learn to take a joke, and perhaps use it as a moment of self reflection. The reputation of these organizations is becoming tarnished for a reason. 

Ohhh Sorority girls…

Stumbling the streets of college campuses, dressed in leggings and a north face fleece, and carrying their heels in their hand. Their feet blacked from stumbling down the streets bare footed in their never ending search for flavored Smirnoff  vodkas and Mike’s Hard Lemonade. They tend to travel in packs, shouting and screaming obnoxiously, trying to satisfy their unquenchable hunger for liquor and Cock.

Seriously all sorority girls are the same, just a bunch of raving long island bitches, daddy’s girls who have not worked for anything in their life. This is not a case of singling out a group or anything close to racism, it is simply a stereotype that these groups of girls are seemingly happy to perpetuate. 

have not worked for anything in their life?…been working since i was 15 and haven’t stopped…never had anything “handed” to me…can name at least 20 more people from my sorority and others who can say the same…don’t generalize please it just makes you sound stupid

This is a serious issue here, who knows, maybe it’ll even get to the point where sorority girls won’t be offered the same level of education as other girls, or even be allowed in restaurants that serve non-sorority girls or even drink from the same water fountain. Please, this comic is not anywhere even close to being comparable to the racial prejudices black people have faced since the beginning of their god damn existence in America. 

How do you think racism started? Did it start for humor or perhaps by the white’s stereotyping the blacks? No matter if you think racism was a bigger issue or not, this is how it starts. If these girls don’t stand up for what they believe in then who knows what would happen!

I just turned 40. I’ve made over $400,000 doing business with friends from my fraternity. It was a pretty good investment if you ask me, not to mention they are still the majority of my social circle. Everyone has to pay their “dues” one way or the other. The trick is picking who you pay them to…

You pay dues for any student organization that you join. Yes, greek dues are more than the other organizations, but they go to funding for our philanthropy and recruitment events (which -shocker- are not free), to our nationals for scholarships, etc. We don’t just pay high dues for the hell of it.

Your right, you don’t pay high dues for nothing…..you pay them for alcohol and a cook for your house.  Oh and I forgot about friends.  I would love for one person to honestly tell me they joined greek life to make a difference in the community because I would personally go and shake their hand, although I know this is a one in a million shot.  I went to college and did my fair share of partying, but I didn’t get involved in greek life so I could pretend I was trying to help out the community.

No you don’t. Most student clubs/RSOs are free, and receive a stipend of cash for conducting business operations, such as gaining supplies or equipment. Reservations are made for free anywhere on campus, and they can request for anything unusually expensive, provided it’s a one-time or long-lasting purchase, such as a trip or a major piece of construction. All of this comes from the University’s coffers. Every university I have been to that wasn’t a community college has had this system in place. “Dues” are just a fancy way of saying “that’s how we pay for our parties, because no self-respecting university would ever fund underage drinking or a DJ off-campus.”

If a club has dues, it’s typically to afford protective equipment purchased through the club, as the university cannot technically fill that order on grounds of litigation/liability if equipment were provided and then failed.

No you don’t. Most student clubs/RSOs are free, and receive a stipend of cash for conducting business operations, such as gaining supplies or equipment. Reservations are made for free anywhere on campus, and they can request for anything unusually expensive, provided it’s a one-time or long-lasting purchase, such as a trip or a major piece of construction. All of this comes from the University’s coffers. Every university I have been to that wasn’t a community college has had this system in place. “Dues” are just a fancy way of saying “that’s how we pay for our parties, because no self-respecting university would ever fund underage drinking or a DJ off-campus.”

If a club has dues, it’s typically to afford protective equipment purchased through the club, as the university cannot technically fill that order on grounds of litigation/liability if equipment were provided and then failed.

You also have pay for most other RSOs on campus. The only difference is that you spend way more time with a Fraternity or Sorority, so obviously the dues are going to be more.

But you’re right. Why pay anything? Might as well just not join any RSO at all and just sit at home supporting stereotypes.  

How about use my extra time to knock out more classes, graduate earlier and be a productive member of society instead of a privileged little shit who’s lost focus on what he’s doing in college in the first place?

Many of the women in my sorority are graduating early, including myself. Since I joined my chapter I have kept a 4.0 gpa. All of the women I am sisters with work to pay for not only their apartments, and school, but also their dues. We are focused, but we also enjoy holding membership in an organization that follows us through life, watches us grow, and supports us in hard times. Would you like to say anything else against Greeks or are you done proving how horrible we are?

Oh I would LOVE to know what kind of half-assed college town job you scored to pay for all the things you listed. And as far as the whole “organization that watches us grow” horse shit? Did you copypaste that straight from your t-shirt? Give me a break.

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I just turned 40. I’ve made over $400,000 doing business with friends from my fraternity. It was a pretty good investment if you ask me, not to mention they are still the majority of my social circle. Everyone has to pay their “dues” one way or the other. The trick is picking who you pay them to…

yes
but that don’t mean i’m racist, or a bigot. 
i just have a different sense of humor than you.

You may buy into the rumor that they all have test banks and we spent our time memorizing a test, which would take just as long as studying I would guess, but in my experience I dont know a single person in my sorority that made it through on test banks. Is it really hard to believe that we had more integrity than that? Especially when so many have successful careers now? People who didnt decide to join or werent asked to join are quick to judge something they know nothing about.

Your response is full of flaws… OK, here we go!

“You may buy into the rumor that they all have test banks” I would never buy into that rumor… I can say with high probability that not all have test banks. But the person’s argument rest upon GPA which is averaged over multiple people and organizations and many do have test banks which would in general boost the average. 

“we spent our time memorizing a test” I did not say that either… but I do know that professors often recycle question types. Even seeing similar questions gives a large advantage (not to mention memorizing if a professor gives the same question). Also given that others in your organization have taken the class they can inform you if the questions will be recycled or be similar.

“which would take just as long as studying I would guess” Do you really believe this? The set of information contained within a test is almost always less than the amount of it contained in the class.

“but in my experience I don’t know a single person in my sorority that made it through on test banks.” What does this even mean? It seems to admit that your sorority has test bank… lets not even assume that, lets just assume that we are dealing with your experience(you did state that). Your experience is within only one sorority which may in fact not have or use test banks… good, but it does not represent them in general.

“Is it really hard to believe that we had more integrity than that? ” Some of you no… but certainly not all. I am not saying anything about the integrity of sorority members to others mind you. 

“Especially when so many have successful careers now?” I do not think that integrity is necessarily correclated to career success. I also never made a comparison about people within sororities and to those not in them.

 “People who didnt decide to join or werent asked to join are quick to judge something they know nothing about.” But people who are part of the organization are better judges? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense! 

Another consideration is that being in a sorority often requires a higher GPA than the college requires… thus the GPA figure is fundamentally biased. Those who get lower GPA’s are kicked out and thus the average GPA is boosted.

I have heard of many sororities and fraternities that have “test banks”, which many would consider cheating. Thus I believe the GPA numbers are very suspect.

Also being in a sorority or fraternity often requires a higher GPA than the school requires to remain a member… thus the sampling is biased.

Yea they do. When I was pledging for a frat, they asked me to give them my old tests. This plus other shit made me have to tell them to fuck off and quit that shit immediately.

To be fair, everyone, greek or non-greek drinks to excess in college all the time. Hell even after college that shit don’t stop

change that “everyone” to “mostly everyone” and you’re right. not everyone drinks to excess. I don’t drink at all, my friends don’t drink often, and I’ve met a lot of people that don’t drink. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve seen a lot of people that drink so much it’s flippin scary, but not everyone drinks their livers to oblivion.

Actually there are rules against drinking during recruitment. YES I realize rules are broken, but if you had ever been on the other side and done the recruiting you would know (At least for sororities) there is no time to drink during recruitment, especially in excess.

 Are you aware that the all sorostitute GPA is higher because you all take remedial bonehead classes that present no challenge?

Not only do Greek students have a higher GPA than non-Greeks, but we do more volunteer hours are more involved on campus as students, give more money as alumnae and have a higher graduation rate than non-Greeks! This is the most offensive thing I have ever seen in the Torch. GO GREEK!!! Sorority Recruitment 2011 Sept. 15th-17th

 We enter these organizations knowing what is expected and what we are signing up for. Nobody is forced to do anything, you do it out of pride and because you want to do something to better other people’s lives, not because someone says you have to. It’s ridiculous that these judgments are made by people without any firsthand experience or involvement in these organizations. Grow up and put your energy and efforts into something worthwhile and stop with the slander. Unless you have been a part of a GREEK organization, then you don’t have the first clue.

Slander: “A false and malicious spoken statement”
Yeah, no speaking going on in that cartoon. The word you are looking for is libel, and i’m sure it does not qualify as libel.

It could qualify for Libel, it’s something that could be found to be offensive that has been put into print. If this affects people showing up for recruitment and they prove that, then it’s Libel. 

You’re an idiot.

Libel isn’t ‘something offensive’.

There is nothing libelous about this comic. You hilarious butthurt fratboy.

Hey genius: it has to be untrue to be libel; so it’s automatically not libel because there is some element of truth.

With that line of thought everything of libel.  The Bible is libel as it may offend some atheists, The Lion King is libel because it offends all people who know lions don’t talk, and this post is libel because you probably don’t like it.

Really? This is the argument you make to back up your claims? This doesn’t help any argument you are trying to make in your favor. In fact this is the type of argument that just enforces the stereotype in the comic. Try to actually think of a rational argument before you post something that makes you look stupid. Also if the comic is so insulting, then use it as motivation to not become that stereotype.

Stereotypes don’t just spring fully formed from the mind of some random bigot, dear. No, stereotypes develop over time. More often than not around a kernel of TRUTH.

I still don’t think you understand what libel means.  It has to be malicious or damaging in addition to being false.  The Bible shouldn’t be damaging to atheists since they don’t believe in its words and The Lion King is false, but doesn’t attack a person or group (unless you count hyenas).  At worst, the comic is stereotypical, but frat/sorority members are generally far from being a down-trodden or marginalized group so, IMO, they should be able to take the joke.  If they don’t appreciate being portrayed in this way they should work with their more troubled members to improve themselves and their public image through deeds, not bitching about it on a message board.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/libel

Alright, so nobody can criticize Greek organizations if they’re not in one. Glad to see we’re still stuck in a 1st grader mentality.

maybe cause the ratio is a little out of whack… a lot more students not in greek then there are in greek. Therefore I don’t believe thats a good comparison.

Might we also remember that more than a handful of Sororities and Fraternities have been caught cheating, by way of sharing homework assignments, old tests, and exploited professor relations than any other type of organization on college campuses.  In addition, may we also remember that statistically, people who are able to invest more money in college extra curricular activities are more likely to graduate because they want to get their money’s worth.   

I have heard of many sororities and fraternities that have “test banks”, which many would consider cheating. Thus I believe the GPA numbers are very suspect.

Also being in a sorority or fraternity often requires a higher GPA than the school requires to remain a member… thus the sampling is biased.

If this is the most offensive thing you’ve ever seen, you live in a bubble of first-world problems and can hardly use the line “we do more volunteer hours” as your excuse that you’re good classy people. 

Not only do Greek students have a higher GPA than non-Greeks, but we do more volunteer hours are more involved on campus as students, give more money as alumnae and have a higher graduation rate than non-Greeks! This is the most offensive thing I have ever seen in the Torch. GO GREEK!!! Sorority Recruitment 2011 Sept. 15th-17th

If this is the most offensive thing you’ve ever seen, you live in a bubble of first-world problems and can hardly use the line “we do more volunteer hours” as your excuse that you’re good classy people. 

The University can certainly provide plenty of statistics to show the benefit Greek organizations provide to Ferris State. Aside from academics, community service, graduation rates, and campus involvement outside of Greek organizations, ties to Greek organizations go beyond the undergraduate level. Just knowing a few areas of campus, I’m sure the Interim Director of Student Activities, Director of Rankin Student Center, Dean of Student Life, Assistant Director of Multicultural Student Services, and many professors across the University would love to tell the artist the good things they’ve experienced through Greek life involvement. We can also add in members of the Student Government cabinet, Student Leadership & Activities student staff, and executive board members of non-Greek organizations across campus into that conversation.

This isn’t an opportunity to stand behind a bold statement of “Go Greek” just for the sake of saying it, it’s an opportunity to stand behind that statement for all the action that comes with it. Get educated.

This is so true. Last time I checked, when I went to school here the director Rankin center was a Sig Ep and the Dean of Students was also Greek affiliated. As a past Student Leadership and Activities Student employee, over 50% of our student staffers were not only leaders on campus, but also in their Greek Organizations.

As a proud alumni, thank you for posting this. I couldn’t agree more!

But this comic is not poking fun at Greeks in the sense that they are useless or unsuccessful.  This comic is merely stating that as an organization, Greek Life more often than not, mis represents themselves.  The same could be said of any business.  Walmart donates millions of dollars each year to various organizations and they make up huge portions of our economic sector.  However, when they claim to have an excellent employment program, and word comes out that they are in fact, actually mistreating employees, then it doesn’t matter how much money they gave away to schools last year.  They have gone from looking like a great company, to looking like an evil corporation. 

I am in a Greek Fraternity that is quite active in the community.  We are constantly striving, and advertising, ourselves as a group of responsible, mature adults seeking to help the community whenever possible.  However, if we are going around on the weekend getting tanked, and generally making asses of ourselves, then we instantly lose any credibility that we have.  As long as those people exist who misrepresent our goals and ideals, we will always have to combat stereotypes.

I agree with that. There are plenty on non-greeks doing the same thing, but when you are leaving the bar with your hat displaying your letters, it is noticed more.

The University can certainly provide plenty of statistics to show the benefit Greek organizations provide to Ferris State. Aside from academics, community service, graduation rates, and campus involvement outside of Greek organizations, ties to Greek organizations go beyond the undergraduate level. Just knowing a few areas of campus, I’m sure the Interim Director of Student Activities, Director of Rankin Student Center, Dean of Student Life, Assistant Director of Multicultural Student Services, and many professors across the University would love to tell the artist the good things they’ve experienced through Greek life involvement. We can also add in members of the Student Government cabinet, Student Leadership & Activities student staff, and executive board members of non-Greek organizations across campus into that conversation.

This isn’t an opportunity to stand behind a bold statement of “Go Greek” just for the sake of saying it, it’s an opportunity to stand behind that statement for all the action that comes with it. Get educated.

As a recent alum of Ferris and the greek system, I’m pretty appalled. I understand that the impression of sororities and fraternities given by the media would justify this cartoon, however, you are focusing on a stereotype and not the truth. Sororities and Fraternities at Ferris have been involved in so much good over the past few years that to publish this is just slander. I’m definitely not saying that the greeks don’t drink, but who doesn’t? You think that the academic RSOs don’t partake in weekend binge drinking? Personally, I’ve seen many of them at yearly bar crawls acting like fools, but because they are academic, you don’t hear about it. What you need to do is take a look at the good that has come out of the Greek system at Ferris and have a little change of attitude. I’m all about free speech but the slogan of the Torch is ‘Truth, Fairness & Accuracy since 1931. Tell me what’s true, fair and accurate about this little doodle?  

I agree with everything you have said here, Susan.  While attending Ferris, I had a professor call me out for being involved in the Greek community and I even had an advisor suggest that I do not join one.  I am here to say they things I learned from being involved in the Greek community will NEVER EVER compare to my classes.  This has a huge negative impact on the future of Sorority life at Ferris, which is already dwindling since I joined in 2007.  The Greek community has little to NO support at Ferris and this little “harmless” cartoon is contributing to this.  

“things I learned from being involved in the Greek community will NEVER EVER compare to my classes.” Why are you in college?

And you know what else isn’t contributing to the Greek Community?  Having sorority girls advertise their organizations as mature and responsible when, in fact, their members are being seen wearing their shirts out at parties and bars making complete jokes out of themselves. 

Well I do not know where you go to school but here at Ferris you will never see any Sorority girl sporting her letters at a bar or party. We have more respect for our letters than to subject them in a negative light.

Ooooh i love that picture!!! that was before I joined and it was at an academic RSO party, not that it matters!!! thanks for bringing back that memory!! Just so you know, in my previous post, I did not say that sorority girls don’t partake in the fun of drinking, just that it’s not “fair” to pick on us because of a stereotype…everyone drinks, but don’t call out one group and slander their recruitment…that’s all people

This isn’t slander. You might need to look up what that really is. You also cannot claim that everyone drinks, not that that is necessarily relevant. This comic is still pointing fun at a humorous college stereotype and shouldn’t be seen as such a bad thing.

IT IS SEEN AS SUCH A BAD THING BECAUSE IT IS THE WEEK OF FORMAL RECRUITMENT! The university should encouraging Greek Life instead of allowing something like this to be posted when it is putting Sorority life in a bad light during the most important week of the semester.

So that gives them a right to oppress greek life and they should also then remove all RSOs on campus including groups like EU, NRHH, the Honors program, Student Government, and many other organizations that support and run the campus as well.

You think this is OPPRESSION?

You think __ALLOWING__ them to publish a comic is __OPPRESSING__ YOU?

You are an idiot.

Yes. They absolutely should. If these organizations are necessary for the continued ability of the institution to operate, then the institution is broken and desperately needs to be abolished.

Yes, printing a cartoon is certainly causing you to be oppressed. Forgive me while I light a candle in honor of your strife..

Technically, a University is well within its rights to remove those organizations if it so chooses. I’m the president of my RSO, and I’m aware of the sword of damocles dangling over my head. We run a smooth organization, and there aren’t many mistakes made. We don’t party/drink afterwards, and we don’t meet up outside of official meetups.

WOW. Like this is going to dissuade women from following through with rush? We’re all aware of the stereotypes, especially because a ton of sororities live up to them. Get over it. It’s a cartoon.

For reference, I was in a sorority at a different university. I laughed at this cartoon. It’s funny. Don’t take yourself and your sorority so seriously. If you’re just realizing now that greek life isn’t constantly being mocked, you’ve lived a ridiculously sheltered life. 

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Encouraging greek life doesn’t mean stamping out the press when it inconveniences you. If greek life needs the university to put a gag order on the paper in order to continue exisiting, it really shouldn’t be there in the first place, should it?

Perhaps you should take minute of your time and browse the previous comics. You’ll see many stereotypes pointed out.

Perhaps you should take minute of your time and browse the previous comics. You’ll see many stereotypes pointed out.

This is not a comic poking fun at a stereotype, this is well beyond limits of being acceptable free speech.  This took the slogan presented during formal recruitment and vandalized it’s meaning and intentions.  It destroyed all of the work that has been put into giving Greek Life a better stigma and destroying stereotypes.  As a part of Greek life I have become more involved in community service, built friendships that will last beyond the scope of college, and networked with several out in the professional world that I am about to enter.  I have developed leadership abilities that cannot be taught in a classroom, and I have a passion for something that many only dream to have.  I cannot even find the words to describe how horrific this comic is, and how disappointing it is that an editor thought this was fit for publishing!

What a f***ing drama queen. “this is well beyond limits of being acceptable free speech.” Literally laughed out loud when I read this.

Really, though, if this is allowed I don’t want to be an American.  Maybe Hitler had it right…

Sorry for comparing anything to Hitler, but I had to.

Are you serious?  The only thing Hitler had right, was his ability to brainwash an entire country – now that takes talent.  But do you realize that nearly everything you say and do is protected by the constitution?  The very reason you are allowed to represent yourself in any organization, Greek included, without prosecution is because of the constitution, because our government protects our right to be free.  This sounds far fetched, but in a world similar to what Hitler created during WWII, if we didn’t like Greek systems (and clearly, we are the majority), we could prosecute and kill you for simply being involved — now, how does that sound to you?

Whoosh.  I agree with you completely (I’m the one who posted the Hitler comment).  I’d imagine its hard to discern me being sarcastic with all the  ridiculousness going on on this page.

Yea, with all of the dumbasses bringing up “freedom of speech”, a Hitler comparison doesn’t seem that far off.

You mean Goering. Those policies didn’t originate with Hitler. If your history wasn’t a GREEK LIFE, YEAH! abridged version, you might know a thing or two about what you say.

You sound like a mind-control victim.

Seriously, why are you so offended? What is so offensive? You all drink and party like crazy, you get called out on it, and now you’re going into full on ‘ears in your fingers’ mode and screaming “LA LA LA I CAN’T HEAR ANY CRITICISM”

You sound like a cult member. Like a scientologist.

“well beyond the limits of being acceptable free speech.” -way to discredit yourself before even making your point. maybe you’ve developed a social skill that “can’t be taught in a classroom”, but you should seriously consider spending more time in them.

It would probably better be defined under free press, not free speech. As to your other points, I too was involved in community service, have friends that will last a lifetime, and already have a job lined up for after I graduate. Greek life is not required for those things to happen. 

This isn’t slander. You might need to look up what that really is. You also cannot claim that everyone drinks, not that that is necessarily relevant. This comic is still pointing fun at a humorous college stereotype and shouldn’t be seen as such a bad thing.

as a person who is very close with a LOT of sorority sisters, this is a pretty accurate representation. this picture doesn’t reflect a minority of greeks in any case.  no where does this comic say gdi’s don’t drink or do no wrong, it’s just funny because it’s typical. i actually know a girl who always goes on about how her sorority is the most classy on campus and how nobody can say anything bad about them, but gets smashed every weekend. it’s just ironic. 

why are people freaking out about this? can you guys not just take a joke? it’s a comic, not a national vendetta to bring down the greek system, so just calm your shit and move on. 

Sorry darling but stereotypes exist for a reason, for every upright citizen living greek life there’s 10 tanked idiots playing beer pong at 2 AM disturbing everybody else. 

The person publishing this, and the people commenting are, or at least were college students. We’re staring right at this behavior/attitude day after day. I brew my own beer, I drink my own beer, and I do so in peace with a few friends. Some of them are quite happy to turn down my offers of free beer, even after helping me brew, because he or she just doesn’t like drinking or appreciate the taste of alcohol and help out simply out of kindness. There is absolutely nothing wrong with doing so. Your attitude of “but who in the world doesn’t drink?” reflects your own ignorance of such peoples’ very existence. If the greek system is supposed to expand your horizons, I feel that it is failing miserably.

I’ve seen very, very many sororstitutes passed out in the hallways. Most often, they are still wearing their greek shirts. You may argue “But everyone drinks to excess!” I argue differently. Not *everyone* drinks. Those who often abstain from drinking also abstain from fraternities/sororities. They trash the bathrooms and the hallways, piss everywhere, barf in the stairwell, I’ve seen it all, and finally decided I’d had enough. There’s a reason that freshmen are confined to freshman dorms; they can’t handle their liqour. They come back and trash the place. So many incidents were reported when we tried to intigrate freshmen into upperclassman dorms that we had to de-integrate them. You might not be aware of how you come across to other people, but here’s a hint: it looks a lot like the illustration the author of this post has kindly provided.

As a recent alum of Ferris and the greek system, I’m pretty appalled. I understand that the impression of sororities and fraternities given by the media would justify this cartoon, however, you are focusing on a stereotype and not the truth. Sororities and Fraternities at Ferris have been involved in so much good over the past few years that to publish this is just slander. I’m definitely not saying that the greeks don’t drink, but who doesn’t? You think that the academic RSOs don’t partake in weekend binge drinking? Personally, I’ve seen many of them at yearly bar crawls acting like fools, but because they are academic, you don’t hear about it. What you need to do is take a look at the good that has come out of the Greek system at Ferris and have a little change of attitude. I’m all about free speech but the slogan of the Torch is ‘Truth, Fairness & Accuracy since 1931. Tell me what’s true, fair and accurate about this little doodle?  

I believe John designed this cartoon to not to just pick on Sorority girls, but everyone who brags about their involvement. I took this much more than a jab at a single organization.  Many people load up their resume with different campus involvement, different organizations, and different leadership opportunities, but when it all comes down to it, we are all human and we all have faults. If you are really worried about one little cartoon in the Torch destroying your image, then people don’t see you who you really are. 

If it’s not a jab at a single organization, than why does the shirt say Fall Sorority Recruitment. Also, this is something to worry about, because it was conveniently printed right before recruitment for all of the freshman and transfer students to see.  We both know, if this was a cartoon drawn by a member of the greek community depicting the graphic design student body, all of you for this comic would be in an uproar. The problem lies in exactly what you’re saying, people don’t see us for who we truly are. While you may not see this a a personal jab, the majority of the people who come across it will. 

I also would like to say that I think it is classless (isn’t that the word that we’re all debating now) for the torch to print this cartoon the same week they print about a Ferris and sorority alumna passes away. 

I would love for the greek community to create a comic about the design students! But I don’t think you guys really have the humor or skill to actually pull anything off. But if you could, I’m sure we’d all love it.

The greek community needs to have a little humor about themselves—also, this has nothing to do with her passing.

Well I think it would go a little bit like this. A bunch of “hipster” kids (but of course they’ll deny the title) sitting around together passing a bowl and drinking PBR in their plaid and flannel shirts. Boasting about their superior taste in all things music and art (because what we like now is so six months ago or my personal favorite “I haven’t listened to that band since I was in high school”). Taking breaks to troll on Reddit and watching Youtube videos of cats. All complaining about how they can’t wait to leave this God forsaken town because they’re so much better than everyone here. 

Close enough for you?

Hey, when we all post as Guest nobody can keep track of a conversation, and it encourages a lower level of discourse.

On a side note, I would like to say, who does not enjoy online Cat videos, even the non-hipsters have to enjoy a cat video now and then.

First of all as a fellow graphic designer I know for a FACT whatever it is this comic about us you would want to make would not contain plaid shirts, PBR, or cat videos. PBR? for real now? Regardless, at least we actually have a sense of humor to just laugh this stuff off and not make a big fuss out of it. Get over it, there are skewed perspectives wherever you go and do you think this one time its gonna ruin your life? No. Grow up, shake it off, and laugh every once in a while. I’m blonde and polish and do you think I go running to my mommy whining every time somebody calls me a dumb blonde or a stupid pollock? No, I laugh my ass off. Why? BECAUSE ITS A FREAKING JOKE AND THATS WHAT YOU DO WHEN SOMEBODY TELLS A JOKE! YOU LAUGH! Big Surprise? 

I am not offended, and I think that would be pretty funny! Draw it up and get it printed, and please calm down. So much stress is not good for anyone.

….. what’s the punchline? So far your comic commits the worst crime a comic can: it’s simply not funny.

And wait, why are those design students? That just sounds like a really tired cliche of a hipster. Except for the internet-browsing thing, which is just totally random. And Big Rapids *is* godforsaken.

Well I think it would go a little bit like this. A bunch of “hipster” kids (but of course they’ll deny the title) sitting around together passing a bowl and drinking PBR in their plaid and flannel shirts. Boasting about their superior taste in all things music and art (because what we like now is so six months ago or my personal favorite “I haven’t listened to that band since I was in high school”). Taking breaks to troll on Reddit and watching Youtube videos of cats. All complaining about how they can’t wait to leave this God forsaken town because they’re so much better than everyone here. 

Close enough for you?

I would have to agree with alumni. When is the Greek system going to stop getting stereotyped as being a group of people who pay for their friends, as well as a group of people that just drink all the time? We are normal college students who want to make a difference in the Big Rapids Community and we do that by Volunteering and raising money for local charities. I am extremely offended by this comic, not only because if it weren’t for my sorority I would have flunked out of Ferris. Yet, just like alumni said this cartoon was printed the same week that a Chapter on the Ferris State campus lost a Friend and Sister. That is just very disrespectful to not only that Chapter but to that girls family who is still mourning the lose of their daughter who loved her Chapter to the fullest and looked at Sisters as her Second Family.

By the way Guest you say that this cartoon has nothing to do with her passing… maybe you should go back and read the article about it and you will see why people (especially her sisters) are VERY OFFENDED by this comic!

If you would have flunked without the help of the sorority you pledged yourself to, maybe you don’t deserve a degree?

Also, “lose” should be “loss”. There you go. Don’t worry, you would have caught that if you didn’t have a fraud diploma.

I think it will stop being stereotyped  as a group of people who pay for their friends when it stops taking high dues. I think it will stop being stereotyped as a group of people who drink all the time when the wild parties that happen every other night stop. I think that you’ll gain a new reputation by *actually* volunteering. Not simply standing around a table, but building a shelter, working in soup kitchens, walking up and down the roads with a trash grabber, doing the less glamorous, harder, real work that real volunteers do. Instead, you’re just a bunch of dandies who like cheap crap for beer with a side of date rape.

People probably do see you for who you really are … I bet this comic was a result of either the author, or one of his friends, walking into a bar or house party and seeing this shirt being worn by a girl getting tanked.  Greek Organizations think they are above every body else because they are involved and are community contributors.  Well, if that is how you want to be viewed, than you sure as hell act like it when you are in public.  Whether or not you like it, if I walk into a bathroom and see a sorority girl wearing your letters and/or slogan puking in the bathroom, you better bet I am going to judge you … especially if earlier that day I saw you advertising how mature and responsible your sorority is.

I don’t believe that the girls are worried about a cartoon destroying their image. I think they may be more worried about what may happen if they don’t stand up for what they believe in and fight for it. I do believe many revolutions have been started by standing up for what you believe in. I don’t believe any shirt I have seen a sorority girl wear has mentioned that they are perfect, we all know that no one is perfect and I don’t believe the girls are trying to stick up for themselves to say they are perfect here.

That’s right, those girls need to start a revolution!!!  Let’s call it “Freedom Fighters for a Perfect Public Image!”

I believe John designed this cartoon to not to just pick on Sorority girls, but everyone who brags about their involvement. I took this much more than a jab at a single organization.  Many people load up their resume with different campus involvement, different organizations, and different leadership opportunities, but when it all comes down to it, we are all human and we all have faults. If you are really worried about one little cartoon in the Torch destroying your image, then people don’t see you who you really are. 

If it’s not a jab at a single organization, than why does the shirt say Fall Sorority Recruitment. Also, this is something to worry about, because it was conveniently printed right before recruitment for all of the freshman and transfer students to see.  We both know, if this was a cartoon drawn by a member of the greek community depicting the graphic design student body, all of you for this comic would be in an uproar. The problem lies in exactly what you’re saying, people don’t see us for who we truly are. While you may not see this a a personal jab, the majority of the people who come across it will. 

I also would like to say that I think it is classless (isn’t that the word that we’re all debating now) for the torch to print this cartoon the same week they print about a Ferris and sorority alumna passes away. 

No one is commenting on involvement and grade point averages—he is only commenting on the humor of wearing a shirt touting your “class” as you spend most weekends hugging toilets. Have a little bit of humor about yourself.

When you say “you,” are you referring to all sorority girls? Please interest me in how you know all sorority girls on campus and exactly what they do each weekend?

This whole spending most weekends hugging toilets as a general statement for all sorority girls is just wrong.  I am a proud Alum of the Greek system and I can tell you with full confidence that it was a rare occasion that I was even seen out drinking.  I went to my fair share of parties to be social; however I was hardly seen with a drink in hand.  I took pride in what my letters stood for and classifying all sorority girls as drunks in the same issue a story is published about a member of the Greek community passing away is just plain distasteful.  I understand you have the freedom of speech, but that doesn’t mean you have to post this during Formal Recruitment.  We take pride in all that we do from our grades, donations, scholarships, and community service.  Yes, some sorority girls like to party; however, I highly doubt it is any more than most college girls.  This shouldn’t have been done in the same issue as the passing of a very important person in the Greek community.  If anything it just reflects poorly on the artist and the paper as a whole. 

Good for YOU! Unfortunately, your actions are not those of all your other Greek brothers and sisters who were getting tanked while you sat at home and was being a good girl.  The same rights that allow you to publicize why life is better as a Greek and why you are better than the average college student, are the rights that allow people, such as this artist, point out why you are just as normal as the next person.

No one is commenting on involvement and grade point averages—he is only commenting on the humor of wearing a shirt touting your “class” as you spend most weekends hugging toilets. Have a little bit of humor about yourself.

When you say “you,” are you referring to all sorority girls? Please interest me in how you know all sorority girls on campus and exactly what they do each weekend?

This whole spending most weekends hugging toilets as a general statement for all sorority girls is just wrong.  I am a proud Alum of the Greek system and I can tell you with full confidence that it was a rare occasion that I was even seen out drinking.  I went to my fair share of parties to be social; however I was hardly seen with a drink in hand.  I took pride in what my letters stood for and classifying all sorority girls as drunks in the same issue a story is published about a member of the Greek community passing away is just plain distasteful.  I understand you have the freedom of speech, but that doesn’t mean you have to post this during Formal Recruitment.  We take pride in all that we do from our grades, donations, scholarships, and community service.  Yes, some sorority girls like to party; however, I highly doubt it is any more than most college girls.  This shouldn’t have been done in the same issue as the passing of a very important person in the Greek community.  If anything it just reflects poorly on the artist and the paper as a whole. 

Yeah, totally offensive! Sorority girls never get “wasted,” they all totes perfect. Super offensive, of all the world issues, I’m going to get mad about this!

This is the opinions section, bravo to the artist and hooray for freedom of speech.

oh i agree that greeks do get wasted occasionally, but where are the cartoons making fun of other groups who get wasted? If this were the first time we had to defend our reputations, it wouldn’t be a big deal, but try doing it all the time….it’s gets pretty annoying

because totally, like, everyone wears their greek letters on halloween night, like, omigawd, right? Like, I was like “am I gonna wear the huge t-shirt that droops off one shoulder with the crappy slogan, or the ugg boots, or my North Face jacket? Wait, today’s halloween! I guess I should dress up as something a little more classy!”

This is the perfect example of what you can find on a typical night at a fraternity house or sorority gathering.

I don’t believe that they are mad, I think they are standing up for what they believe in. What kind of world would this be if people didn’t stand up for what they believe in? Oh right, blacks would still be enslaved, women would still have no vote and men would probably be running around killing each other more than they are now!

That’s right!  I believe that everyone should only have good qualities and we should just ignore any/all negative traits that everyone has!  I believe that no one should ever be accountable for anything bad they do!  Right?  Am I right, ladies?!?!

Except for the fact that it brings direct injury to formal recruitment by using the exact formal recruitment t-shirt. This has in fact open the torch up to nothing less than a Libel suit.

Wow. Please Please PLEASE file a suit, I do think you will find legality is on both the author’s, and the publishing paper’s side.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Probably the most false comment of this thread. You must be the most tolerant drunk or blacked out every time you drink. This is my 4th year at Ferris and every time I go to the bar there is at least one or two Greek wearing slop shows stumbling out with one of their “sisters” holding them up. Get off your ivory tower and come live with in the real world.

After 4 years of Ferris and hanging out with Greeks without being one, I cannot tell you how many times I’ve seen girls disrespect themselves with this exact same picture, whether they were Greek or not. I have seen some of my friends absolutely destroyed by the Greek community, getting caught up in drinking, drugs, or the drama. It is a childish community that I really never saw a benefit to the campus besides a good party. This is actually a great depiction of the worse part of the Greek system. No matter what, you’ll still get kids to join your groups for hundreds of dollars each semester, and you should be glad you are getting the honest attention. I have never been through a more fake, dishonest experience then formal recruitment. 

Yes, because drinking and drugs are exclusively found within the greek community (and Charlie Sheen’s whore castle). Hell, some former PGMer overdosed on heroin a week or so ago and I’m pretty sure if you walked up to a rugby player at any point in time, you would smell alcohol. Non-greek women disrespect themselves too – spreading your legs is not just a sorority thing, cus if it was, everyones’ mothers would have been sorority women. 

This is a completely true statement since I have done the same, and have been through the whole recruitment process. FAKE.

And just as a frame of reference, how many non-greek slop shows to you see stumbling out with their friends holding them up? Because if you say none, you are full of shit sir. As a bartender in BR during my undergraduate, I would rather have allowed only greeks into my establishment due to the fact that they take care of their own. I had far more problems with the “my shit don’t stink” jocks and regular joes.

I am a Ferris State University graduate. I was president of Sigma Phi Epsilon fraternity for two years, Executive Vice-President of the Inter-Fraternity Council for two years and I am an officer in the United States Marine Corps. I have a reasonable insight into the Greek community at Ferris and brotherhood in general. My wife was in a sorority at Ferris. We met at a mixer. The students of the Ferris State Greek system are among the finest that institution has to offer. How dare you! How dare your editors allow such content to circulate to the student body and use this tasteless image to fill them with discontent toward the organizations that do more to benefit our community than any other! Ferris Greeks donate more time, more manpower and more money toward philanthropy than any other student run organization on campus, including the Torch, and for that to be degraded by you to some poor girl getting sick at the toilet is shameful. Ferris deserves better. 

“I am an officer in the United States Marine Corps.”

I’m calling bullshit. Every Marine I ever knew had more sense than this. They could take jokes. Why don’t you stop feeding us a pack of lies, man the fuck up, and actually go do something worth doing?

Shame on you. As an enlisted Marine this is what we’re under oath to protect. Don’t knock people who use their first amendment right. If there was ZERO truth to this I could see people getting upset but I know this isn’t true. Now the world isn’t going to fall apart over this little comic but many lives can be lost if you don’t have your head in the game. So get over it, stop pouting about non issues and get back to being a leader. Man up Devil Dog!

Yeah, totally offensive! Sorority girls never get “wasted,” they all totes perfect. Super offensive, of all the world issues, I’m going to get mad about this!

This is the opinions section, bravo to the artist and hooray for freedom of speech.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Probably the most false comment of this thread. You must be the most tolerant drunk or blacked out every time you drink. This is my 4th year at Ferris and every time I go to the bar there is at least one or two Greek wearing slop shows stumbling out with one of their “sisters” holding them up. Get off your ivory tower and come live with in the real world.

After 4 years of Ferris and hanging out with Greeks without being one, I cannot tell you how many times I’ve seen girls disrespect themselves with this exact same picture, whether they were Greek or not. I have seen some of my friends absolutely destroyed by the Greek community, getting caught up in drinking, drugs, or the drama. It is a childish community that I really never saw a benefit to the campus besides a good party. This is actually a great depiction of the worse part of the Greek system. No matter what, you’ll still get kids to join your groups for hundreds of dollars each semester, and you should be glad you are getting the honest attention. I have never been through a more fake, dishonest experience then formal recruitment. 

All of the above comments illustrating the good that the greeks do for the community and the academic successes that they enjoy are definitely true and worth commending. It is also very true that binge drinking is not specific to greek students. The important thing to remember is that, as an outside observer, I can only base my work on the impression that I get through my experiences as a fellow member of the student body. Perhaps the greek system should consider the image that it projects to the rest of the campus (an image that is agreed upon by a large number of non-greeks) in addition to their many honorable accomplishments. After all, no matter who you are, it can be difficult to clearly see oneself from an outside perspective. Perhaps your efforts and advice should go towards refining the behavior of those of your brothers and sisters that further this stereotype? In the eyes of our peers we are not solely judged by a list of accomplishments or test scores, but also by our behavior.

Perhaps you should bring yourself to realize that you are endorsing a stereotype. Do you happen to know where many stereotypes get this lovely country? Well there was the stereotype that African American’s are no good and only used for slaves aka Mammy. There is the stereotype that women should stay home and cook all day. Now when it came time that these people fought back did they work on their what their image is or did they work on fixing their image in the eyes of those who held that stereotype? I believe that the efforts these girls are making to restore their image is well done by fighting your cartoon. Now if you were not endorsing a stereotype here and you just think this is what all sorority girls do because perhaps you have seen one or two or maybe even three doing it in the past then you are purely not a good journalist. A good journalist studies and interviews and goes undercover to find the truth. 

I think it is the members of the greek community that perpetuate the stereotype. All it takes is one member making a bad impression to give people a negative view. Also, are you comparing a group a privileged kids who can afford the luxury of college, as well as membership dues, to the civil rights movement and women’s suffrage?

You may be confused or mad, but I don’t think he is a journalist. I believe the term is “cartoonist.”

What you are saying is false. I am a member of the Greek system, paying all the dues myself, working a full time job and affording college only through loans. Not everyone in the Greek system is as privileged as you make it seem.

“All it takes is one member making a bad impression to give people a negative view.”
All torch staff are ignorant assholes that have no tact. You can thank your cartoonist for being that one member. I’m surprised you didn’t just make this Bree obituary photo in an attempt to outrage even more people. 

I think (more so I hope) what the person was trying to do was point out that having the cartoon in the same issue is completely appalling and disrespect for the amazing things that she did with her time at Ferris and that the staff should have been more empathetic and tactful. The commentor could have used a similar lesson because their sarcasm is extremely inappropriate.

I think (more so I hope) what the person was trying to do was point out that having the cartoon in the same issue is completely appalling and disrespect for the amazing things that she did with her time at Ferris and that the staff should have been more empathetic and tactful. The commentor could have used a similar lesson because their sarcasm is extremely inappropriate.

Actually, not all of them are ignorant assholes. I know a couple that are pretty awesome. Some of them are, yes, but not ALL of them. That’s just mean to insult the people who make the ads or answer the phones or whatever.

Fighting this cartoon isn’t the key—keeping some sense of composure and self respect is the key. This is just a manifestation of an image that is projected constantly. Change that image, change the comic. He draws what he sees.

Perhaps you should bring yourself to realize that you are endorsing a stereotype. Do you happen to know where many stereotypes get this lovely country? Well there was the stereotype that African American’s are no good and only used for slaves aka Mammy. There is the stereotype that women should stay home and cook all day. Now when it came time that these people fought back did they work on their what their image is or did they work on fixing their image in the eyes of those who held that stereotype? I believe that the efforts these girls are making to restore their image is well done by fighting your cartoon. Now if you were not endorsing a stereotype here and you just think this is what all sorority girls do because perhaps you have seen one or two or maybe even three doing it in the past then you are purely not a good journalist. A good journalist studies and interviews and goes undercover to find the truth. 

You have never been to a single one of our meetings. We are working so hard to change the way we are portrayed on campus. This cartoon has set is back. I know for my chapter personally we are focusing on faculty relations, community service, and putting our name next to anything positive. You can’t see how hard we work. And how immature do you have to be to put such an innapropriate cartoon in the same newspaper as an article about one of our alumnae passing away? It is extremely hurtful and wildly innapropriate. Maybe you all should learn to hold yourselves to a higher standard…

Has set “is” back. Also, community service is just a nice way of saying “we set up a table and ask for money.” It’s not *your* money. It’s not volunteerism. It’s not anything difficult or truly helpful, even. You’re doing it for PR, and it shows.

People see your members getting trashed on weekends. And they also see you complaining here about how this cartoon isn’t helping your PR campaign. 

As an athlete of this University and a member of the Greek system, I am very upset that this picture was placed in the Torch.  How can you expect an image to be changed when you are bashing them for something that MOST college students do?  Before I joined the Greek system I only heard rumors of what it was like.  It wasn’t until I joined a fraternity that i have come to the conclusion that not everything is correct.  The Greek system has been under radar because the media wants it to crash, and we as Greeks are viewed in a negative manor because of what the media says.  If you go around campus and get rid of your dogmatic views you can see that the Greeks are making a name around Ferris State in a positive manor, they just don’t get the praise like they should.  The media likes to see drama and that’s what wrong with our society. If you really want the image to change you shouldn’t be putting images like this in the Torch because you are only feeding the fire on false stereotypes.  How can you go by what other people say without experiencing the system? If you really think about it you should put other pictures of other RSOs or sports teams because I guarantee they are doing the same thing.  I will also point out that many of the people who aren’t apart of any other programs on campus, perfect the same thing that you are implying.

You have never been in one of our meetings, therefore you don’t know how hard most of us are working to break away from this stereotype.  Perhaps you should read your own newspaper since the article of Bree’s passing speaks about her positive contributions to more than just greek life.  And on the next page, a sorority took time out of their day and money out of their pockets to donate school supplies to a local elemtary school.  One girl even states that the stereotype portrayed in the cartoon is exactly what we are working against.  It’s really in poor taste to put a cartoon like that in with articles where we are trying to fight the stereotype you suggest we fight.  We are trying.  You aren’t seeing it when it’s right there. 

Fair enough, but how about you take your head out of the sand and recognize what this cartoon points too: your organizations’ traditions of getting hammered around this time. And saying that people who haven’t been in your organization “just don’t understand” is just dismissive and elitist. 

Thanks a lot for propagating stereotypes that I and many others have been doing our best to dispel through our positive behavior and hard work.  No one ever makes a mean cartoon about the sorority girl who graduated with a 4.0 GPA in Chemistry and has gone on to become a doctoral candidate in Biochemistry working in a cancer research  lab and volunteering part time after hours.

Some of the strongest and most intelligent women that I have ever met were members of sororities, and this kind of demeaning cartoon is insulting to their leadership, intelligence, and moral character.

How many Ferris State Sorority girls have gone on to cure cancer vs how many have finished off a night at shooters by spending the night in the bathroom?  I’d say the cartoon is a far more accurate depiction of FSU sorority life.

How many Ferris State girls in general have gone on to cure cancer vs how many have finished off a night at shooters by spending the night in the bathroom? The cartoon should have depicted a person wearing a shirt with the Ferris logo on it instead.

There’s no reason to think that girl puking in the toilet doesn’t have a 4.0. Where in the comic is there any statement about her academic achievements or intellect?

Defenders of the Greek system in this thread keep trying to shift the topic from binge drinking in the Greek system during recruitment week to other areas (philanthropy, academics). Try to stay on topic.

Generally, someone with any degree of intellect or decent judgment should know not to go off drinking to such excess.

Good grades, working to cure cancer, and blacking out during rush week are not mutually exclusive. The cartoon by no means even hints that the girl depicted can go on to do amazing things. It does however shed light on the yearly rush ritual of getting hammered sloppy drunk.

Thanks a lot for propagating stereotypes that I and many others have been doing our best to dispel through our positive behavior and hard work.  No one ever makes a mean cartoon about the sorority girl who graduated with a 4.0 GPA in Chemistry and has gone on to become a doctoral candidate in Biochemistry working in a cancer research  lab and volunteering part time after hours.

Some of the strongest and most intelligent women that I have ever met were members of sororities, and this kind of demeaning cartoon is insulting to their leadership, intelligence, and moral character.

How many Ferris State Sorority girls have gone on to cure cancer vs how many have finished off a night at shooters by spending the night in the bathroom?  I’d say the cartoon is a far more accurate depiction of FSU sorority life.

Good grades, working to cure cancer, and blacking out during rush week are not mutually exclusive. The cartoon by no means even hints that the girl depicted can go on to do amazing things. It does however shed light on the yearly rush ritual of getting hammered sloppy drunk.

After reading the many posts here..everyone is forgetting one rule that ALL sororities have on campus!!! 

1. Sorority shirts or shirts with that particular sororities Letters are to NOT be worn when there is alcohol present!! 

As an article in the Torch you would think you’d have to get your facts straight!? Was there any actual research into what types of rules or procedures sororities and fraternities abide by? IF the Torch and it’s members pride themselves on “Truth, Fairness, and Accuracy” why wouldn’t you make sure your photo depicted the Truth and was Accurate? Soo…

1. The girl in this photo should NOT be wearing a sorority shirt since it is against the rules!
2. IF this was to actually happen the girl in question would have to face the consequences that their sorority chapter or even higher groups would place on her.

Wow where do you get a camera that take cartoon shots or is it a photoshop filter. I thought this was a drawing not an actual photogragh.

“1. Sorority shirts or shirts with that particular sororities Letters are to NOT be worn when there is alcohol present!! ”

And why do you think that is? Could it be because sororities and fraternities know full well what goes on in Greek life and want to have plausible deniability to avoid responsibility for it?

Wait, so you have rule explicitly stating that you can’t have Greek affiliated clothing around alcohol? Don’t you ever wonder why they would have to enact that sort of PR rule in  the first place? I’m pretty that answer would also explain why you’re getting so offended over a cartoon.

Yes, many girls at Ferris get wasted not just sorority girls.  Some of them may claim to “keep it classy” but they say it in a sarcastic sense because they know they’re being the opposite of classy.  Hell, I even knew some girls who had a “classy chart” where they had different level stars for inappropriate things they did.  If you’re going to display a quote about class on your shirts, you should make a point of well, being classy… not just some of the time, but all of the time.  Do you know what having class is??? Grades and involvement aside, I have seen MANY sorority girls’ boobs fall out, heard about them sleeping with umpteen guys, seen then falling all over at the bar, posting statuses about being wasted and hungover, seen SO MANY puking, making out in public, calling other girls names and just being a huge bitch in general, getting into fights, falling on the ground… among many other things.  AGAIN.  I am NOT saying that only sororities do this but if you’re going to lure other girls in to “perfect classy” you shouldn’t be doing ANY of those things.  EVER.  You PERFECTED classy.  Are you kidding me???  You must be. 

Also, the person who said the Torch was supposed to show accuracy and fairness and all that other crap.  It’s a comic.  Idiot.  They can show elephants ordering a coffee.  ELEPHANTS DON’T ORDER COFFEE!!! OMG!!!   

AND to the person who said the thing about making a comic stereotyping Graphic Design.  (I am not one btw)…. You said it would cause an uproar??  No it wouldn’t!  They would laugh their asses off because they are self aware and not so fricking up tight.  They would probably post it as their profile pictures.  Call them nerds, losers, hipsters, wannabes.  They would eat that up.  

Yes, many girls at Ferris get wasted not just sorority girls.  Some of them may claim to “keep it classy” but they say it in a sarcastic sense because they know they’re being the opposite of classy.  Hell, I even knew some girls who had a “classy chart” where they had different level stars for inappropriate things they did.  If you’re going to display a quote about class on your shirts, you should make a point of well, being classy… not just some of the time, but all of the time.  Do you know what having class is??? Grades and involvement aside, I have seen MANY sorority girls’ boobs fall out, heard about them sleeping with umpteen guys, seen then falling all over at the bar, posting statuses about being wasted and hungover, seen SO MANY puking, making out in public, calling other girls names and just being a huge bitch in general, getting into fights, falling on the ground… among many other things.  AGAIN.  I am NOT saying that only sororities do this but if you’re going to lure other girls in to “perfect classy” you shouldn’t be doing ANY of those things.  EVER.  You PERFECTED classy.  Are you kidding me???  You must be. 

Also, the person who said the Torch was supposed to show accuracy and fairness and all that other crap.  It’s a comic.  Idiot.  They can show elephants ordering a coffee.  ELEPHANTS DON’T ORDER COFFEE!!! OMG!!!   

AND to the person who said the thing about making a comic stereotyping Graphic Design.  (I am not one btw)…. You said it would cause an uproar??  No it wouldn’t!  They would laugh their asses off because they are self aware and not so fricking up tight.  They would probably post it as their profile pictures.  Call them nerds, losers, hipsters, wannabes.  They would eat that up.  

I’ll add this to my file….right next my Torchbearer Award, my Sister of the Year Award, my sash for being the first runner for Homecoming Queen, my United Way plaque for helping to triple the student goal, the picture of me as Student Government VP, and my chapter’s 5-Star Award – to name a few. I think this will go nicely.

It’s like you’re suggesting that your personal achievements  exonerate your group from scrutiny ! 

Oh wait, that’s exactly what you’re suggesting.

I am speechless. This cartoon is only close to what you would expect during sorority recruitment. I was once a victim of recruitment my sophomore year (2005) and let me tell you what you’re missing. First of all, she would’t be wearing a shirt at all. There would be a half-smoked pack of Newports, a couple halves of Adderall, and several fraternity brothers standing over her snapping shots. The Torch is all about Truth, Fairness, and Accuracy, EVEN if this is the UGLY truth. Some of you defending your organization really need a reality check. I quit the night before initiation because I did exactly that. My pledge mom was a doper like you wouldn’t believe, every meeting I went to she was completely stoned! The girls even had their drug of choice for every event. Shrooms for Ferris Fest, ecstasy for ******Rose, coke for January Jams..etc. Alcohol was just to get you warmed up. What holiday do you think we had our BigLittle night? St. Patty’s Day of course, this was Spring Recruitment FYI. What was the gift from my BigSis? A bottle of ASTI. And we all did a ridiculous chant about drinking & sisters, blah blah. It was a JOKE. Every social, mixer, even study nights included smoking pot, drinking, or adderall. And how do you suppose these girls have a higher GPA? You buddy up with an older sis who has the same major and you get all her old work. You don’t do anything yourself. You are ridiculously dependent of one another. And you call those outside of your Greek lifestyle a GDI (god-damn-independent) like it is a bad thing? Give me a break. This cartoon is just the tip of the iceberg. And you brag about how you are so involved with the community, etc. You wouldn’t exist if you didn’t. 

I apologize for the rant, but I could go on for days. I curse myself for never taking these events to our president, etc. But it was little old me against a powerful group of fakes. I’ve since graduated from Ferris, used my own networking skills to become successful, and as a hiring manager I have never considered any applicant who litters their resume with Greek letters. But, that’s just me. 

Thank you for this cartoon, it was a nice breath of fresh air! 

Because everyone knows, everyone follows the rules and there’s never any underage drinking, drug use, wearing of greek attire during drinking, wild parties where cops get called in, or cases of date rape. Never! That would be *gasp* against the rules!

That’s what it was like for her, and many others , so don’t get all uppity when this cartoon pokes an issue your PR teams can’t handle.

I’m sorry for your experience, very different from the one I had.

I hope one of your future candidates for employment stumbles upon your comment and sues the pants off you and your company for unfair labor practices you bitter old hag.

Hahaha.. Bitter old hag? Bitter, not quite, only by the fact that more cartoons like this are not printed! Old? No, not quite there either. I am 26 and the youngest hiring manager at my place of employment. And a HAG? Not even close. I won FIRST PLACE in a bikini contest that “SAID SORORITY” had every single one of their pledges enter that year so that the horned-up Pikes had something to vote on. GUESS WHAT?! There are HOT girls who don’t affiliate themselves with GREEKS! 

Being part of greek life is not a protected class. So JB and her company are will within their rights to not hire someone for being in a frat/sorority. In most states she could even fire someone after she found out they were in greek life

You know, I think I understand what you’re like now. You’re convinced you are very beautiful and you think men are only interested in you because you’re beautiful, but you want them to be interested in you because you’re you. The problem is, aside from all that beauty (possibly caused by all that alcohol they’ve consumed), you’re not very interesting. You’re rude, you’re hostile, you’re sullen, you’re withdrawn, and you pay for your own friends. I know you want someone to look past all that at the real person underneath but the only reason anyone would bother to look past it is if they think you’re beautiful. Once they get past it, they realize you’re not that interesting, and leave. Ironic, isn’t it? In an odd way you’re your own problem. The fun thing is that your beauty will fade, your friends will leave once you graduate/stop paying for friends, and all you’ll be left with is that personality of yours that will never attract anyone. Before long, you will *be* that bitter old hag, only without the wisdom of this proud GDI, or almost any of her other fine qualities.

Someone confirms a stereotype with their own personal experience? 

CALL THEM A GODDAMN HAG AND WISH FAILURE UPON THEM. 

Keep it classy, sister.

Wow, you don’t hire anyone affiliated with the Greek system because of your jaded experience with a certain organization? How can you sleep at night?? Not all Greeks abused drugs, my big sister was in a completely different program, so I NEVER once had homework passed down to me or known sisters to do so. College students drink! Big news, but obviously you think you’re superior because you’re a hiring manager that discriminates based on one crappy time in your life? You’re a weasel, and very insecure. So yes, bravo on how you overcame such a traumatic time in your life, while all the Greeks have moved on with MUCH better jobs than you.

Not all, just most, and not near as much as the Greeks. I think you’re insecure that she knocked away the one pillar you guys have a semi-legitimate reason to stand on: you think that you’ll have “connections.” Only now you’re finding that affiliation with that organization might be actually as harmful for your career as it is for your liver, and you’re scared.

Haha you prolly got rejected before being initiated…..your a joke get real…newports? Really cmon who smokes newports anymore? Haha your a joke that still has resentment you couldn’t be one of us…jealousy is truly a sickness…hope you can get well soon! Haha

*You’re a joke…

Also, all that it takes to become Greek is time and dues. Write a check, and YOU’RE good to go.

Actually, it’s not time and money. If you think that’s all it takes to get into a sorority or fraternity, you are honestly a dumb ass person who wouldn’t know the first thing about Greek life. Do some research before you start assuming.

I’m in a fraternity.  All I had to do was show up at some meetings and pay some dues.  Greek Life isn’t some magical foreign experience impossible for an outsider to understand.  Your experiences don’t make you a unique, enlightened snowflake no matter how much you wish they did.

They let anyone into college these days.  Didn’t you know?  As long as you make your payments on time . . . or continue going further and further into debt . . .

 I’m sorry, did you say 2005? So sorry that this happened to you. But let me tell you about MY experience pledging in Fall of 2006– not even a year after your experience. Pizza parties to celebrate becoming a new member, sisters I could count on when I was having family struggles to pick me up when I was down. No drugs ever pushed on anyone, heck I was never even asked if I wanted to smoke pot— even though some girls would partake– thats their choice– I’m sure many “non greek” females have smoked pot or experimented with harder drugs. There’s this thing called having to meet a GPA. I graduated with a 3.5 GPA, no one ever helped me cheat.. heck half of my sisters barely even had the same majors. Sure there was drinking and song singing– if any one was ever offended it would immediately be stopped. If we want to talk about demeaning song singing– has anyone ever heard the Girl’s rugby team? hmmn?! Welcome to 2011– many rules have been put in place to make sure hazing never occurs on this campus. I don’t know what my life would be without my sorority. It has given me the opportunity to become a leader, stand up for myself, know right from wrong, and make a million lasting friendships.
All this comes to show that you cannot label an entire system on the fault of one person, or maybe even one organization, so thank you J.B. for feeding into the sterotypes of all sororites– Wish you could see the whole picture, and probably how much things have changed today.

On a side note– how sickening that you discriminate against Greeks when hiring! It must make you so excited to be in control when hiring.. let me guess only blonde hair and blue eyes as well?

GO GREEK! RISE ABOVE!

 “as a hiring manager I have never considered any applicant who litters their resume with Greek letters” .. Oh my! How defensive! I said, “litters their resume with Greek letters” as in, “look! look! the only accomplishment I had at FSU was I learned the Greek alphabet!” Seriously. I look at other achievements, academically speaking. Your Greek involvement does not sway my judgement. 
And as for your “sisters” who went on to get better jobs, the girls I knew could start a show: “The Greek Housewives of Ferris State University.” Now, THAT’S pathetic!

EVERY sister I have has amazing jobs and families & are very successful with great husbands, so I can see where your jealously kicks in 🙂

We raise a ton of money for charities that help the world become a better place! We don’t spread hate for a living, but good luck choking on your resentment, while we all go on happy and full of love and sharing & experience…
Ooh, you’re just bitter. And I bet your “company” you hire for are full of little misfits that hide behind a computer. YOU ARE CLASSY 😉

Prove it.  I want you to post a list of EVERY SINGLE SISTER you had while at Ferris State University and include their current jobs, marital status, etc.  If you are going to make a statement like that I will need to see some hard facts/data.

Obviously this is impossible for you.  I only typed this because you are making a sweeping generalization about your own sorority which is why you are all pissed off and posting on here in the first place.  Stop making the Greek Community look dumb because that is exactly what 90% of you posting on here continue to do.

Oh, so the only generalizations and stereotypes you can handle are ones that portray your group in a positive light? 

Got it.

just an fyi you’re lucky that you didn’t put your name because you can get in trouble for not hiring someone solely on the basis that they were greek in college and put that on their resume. I am on a fraternity on campus and I can tell you that fraternities and sororities do not haze, and we can actually get shut down for it. If those events really happened to you, and you really were damaged by it, then wouldn’t the right thing to do is maybe take action so that other people wouldn’t have to go through it instead of crying about it and saying that you are a “victim?”
Me and my fraternity have done numerous community events and this edition of the torch also had four articles about greek organizations raising money and giving back to the community?
Also how dare you call yourself a victim! Victims are people who have been kidnapped or forced to do something against their will because their lives depended on it! I’m pretty sure that sorority recruitment is a CHOICE that YOU made, and you could have said no or left when you were supposedly being called ugly and forced to drink

Membership in a fraternity does not make you a member of a protected class. You would need to be a member of such a class in order to have a case of discrimination in hiring. Someone refuses to hire you because you’re black? You have a case. Someone refuses to hire you because your hair is black? You don’t have a case.

Jesus you’re fucking stupid. There is nothing illegal about not hiring someone for being in a Greek organization.

Kudos to Mr. Vestevich for the entertaining cartoon and kudos to the Torch for allowing this display of art to be posted. But most of all, kudos to all the Greek who are fueling my enjoyment with their defensive posts about how I am so jealous and full of resentment that I did not graduate with a Greek letter. My post was a statement of my experience, take it or leave it. Should I look forward to being sued for not hiring you?…ahhh priceless 🙂  Well, guess I am going to go sit behind my computer along with all of my other mis-fit minions while we miserably slave away making minimum wage. If that is how you picture my life, you are gravely mistaken. But, I am not the one needing to defend myself. You are. Good luck with all of your endeavors! 

Unlike many of the greeks being pissed at you, I want to apologize for the organization that put you through that experience. I am honestly not trying to mock you right now, but i would understand if that is what you choose to believe based on many of the other comments on here. The only thing I wish you would have done differently is report the hazing that you experienced so that organization could have been kicked off campus. It’s groups like the one you pledged with that perpetuate the stereotype and hate for greek life. 

When you don’t consider “any applicant who litters their resume with Greek letters” that is just the same if someone in the Greek system wouldn’t consider you because you were not Greek. Is that what you want them to do? Treat others as you would want to be treated. I’m very sad to hear that you did not have a good experience in the Greek system but you should hold just those few individuals that made it so bad accountable, not the whole system.

You actually raise a fair point here. For once, I have read a comment from someone defending the Greeks that I would consider half-thought out!

Really.  There are tons of shitty Greeks out there that should be laughed at on an application, but there are plenty that ARE application-material.  

Not all greeks treat you like “they” do. As an alum of Ferris & Greek life I am absolutely appalled…and the week of formal recruitment?! Ferris already has little involvement and support for greek life, this is terrible.

So ugly and hateful. Someone clearly had their feeling hurt. If you didn’t agree with what was going on with the group then why did you even try to join? Or even stick around until the night of initation? I think bitter hits it right on the head. I’m the same age as you and have been a hiring manager and since then moved up in the company. For someone that has such HIGH morals you certainly are a hypocrite and racist.

you must have been the girl that they rejected before initiation…clearly your resentment for a sorority not wanting you has made you go on this rampage. and really newports? who the hell smokes newports anymore? get real.  your mad because you have no one to come back to at ferris…stop being a hater!

As a Ferris alum, and a non-Greek, I am in complete disbelief that this was printed. I truly believed that Ferris was supportive of its student groups as a whole and for the contribution they make to the school as well as the community. As a prior Student Manager of the Office of Student Leadership and Activities as well as having involvement in many other activities and organizations, it was my pleasure to work alongside Sororities and collaborate whenever possible. The members of these sororites are hard working females who have fun like everyone else, but believe in a greater cause and believe in what their sorority can do at Ferris and beyond. Students work their tales off at school and to simply disregard that with such a tasteless cartoon is very disappointing. Not a proud moment Torch…

I’m pretty sure the views and opinions expressed here are not that of Ferris State University, rather those of the author.

Ferris does support it’s student groups….probably.

Why is this not a proud moment? The University paper has printed something which has sparked a discussion. This is the true purpose of these institutions of higher learning – to encourage discussion. Ignoring certain circumstances which paint one group, event, or idea in a negative light is counter to the purposes of higher learning. Focus on those words: higher learning. They imply knowledge, analysis, and discussion on a level beyond that of simple facts. They imply thought on elevated ideas. True higher learning can only exist in an atmosphre of absolute truth, or at least its pursuit.

Now you’re just jumping to conclusions—and he isn’t attacking Greek Life. You and everyone else posting here have done enough to speak for yourselves. Most posts are littered with spelling and grammatical errors—top notch guys!

WOW. The Torch should be ASHAMED of themselves. This is incredibly appalling. They owe the Ferris State Greek Organizations a HUGE apology.

Because when I WANT to make a POINT, I have to do so by CAPITALIZING certain WORDS because my GREEK LIFE, YEAH! version of the English language can’t do it by the merit of my words and virtuous argument.

I find this horrible.  I am proud to be a business owner in this community….a 2X alum of FSU and a 2X honor student of FSU….and a PROUD Delta Zeta…….If we steriotyped any other group of people we would be called racest at best……I want an appology for all of the sorority’s on campus!

Also, it would be sororities****  She doesn’t even know the plural of what she’s fighting for.  Bahahahaha.  I don’t think she could pass the English section in a GED. 

Don’t forget that she can’t even spell RACIST!

Also, racism implies that you are disparaging another race—not an organization or group. I’m glad to see that our Honors Program has such esteemed members!

Congrats on having the whole Greek system of Ferris basically despise you. Did you not print an add on page 3 on The Torch advertising rush week for all fraternities with the title saying “Dont Be Fooled By Misconceptions”? And did you NOT write an article that made front page about a DZ sister who died last week and what she did on the campus of Ferris State University because of her involvement in the Greek system? Yeah, definitely  do some research before you EVER print or draw something up like. You are also an organization basically run by students and being that you are an organization here on campus, you are attacking another organization. Have you not read Ferris States values basically hanging up on all the classroom walls? Have a little respect and integrity for those Greeks who have been apart of this community. Grow up.

Allow me to point out a couple of things you seem to be missing in your blind rage to defend your organizations. 

    Did anyone even notice that the Torch actually covers Sorority and Fraternity events? This week there was a story on Delta Zeta. (found on page 2) and last week was Lambda Chi Alpha complete with a video (found here: https://www.fsutorch.com/2011/09/06/news/smashing-watermelons-for-a-cause/a ). It’s not fair to assume that it is only negative coverage. Contrary to popular belief, the Torch is NOT required to cover Fraternity or Sorority events. It is an independent organization and is not linked to the activities council. It is up to the editors to decide. No one else. 

    I find it completely appalling that this is what it takes for the Ferris Community to get riled up. Contrary to your beliefs, there are a good amount of Ferris students who could care less about Greek life. If you recall correctly, in the paper just last week, there was an article proclaiming the evils of Atheism, yet we already have more comments of defending Greek life than defending human beliefs. I apologize for the straw man, but this is completely insane. If there was no apology for the Atheism article, there will not be one for this. 

Allow me to point out a couple of things you seem to be missing in your blind rage to defend your organizations. 

    Did anyone even notice that the Torch actually covers Sorority and Fraternity events? This week there was a story on Delta Zeta. (found on page 2) and last week was Lambda Chi Alpha complete with a video (found here: https://www.fsutorch.com/2011/09/06/news/smashing-watermelons-for-a-cause/a ). It’s not fair to assume that it is only negative coverage. Contrary to popular belief, the Torch is NOT required to cover Fraternity or Sorority events. It is an independent organization and is not linked to the activities council. It is up to the editors to decide. No one else. 

    I find it completely appalling that this is what it takes for the Ferris Community to get riled up. Contrary to your beliefs, there are a good amount of Ferris students who could care less about Greek life. If you recall correctly, in the paper just last week, there was an article proclaiming the evils of Atheism, yet we already have more comments of defending Greek life than defending human beliefs. I apologize for the straw man, but this is completely insane. If there was no apology for the Atheism article, there will not be one for this. 

This is beyond horrendous. This just proves that Ferris hates us Greeks. Low blow Torch, hope you love getting all this hate mail. 

Sorry, she didn’t pay high enough dues for her friend to go that far. You get what you pay for in friends, when it comes to sororities.

This is disgusting and I am appalled that the TORCH would run this.  This apparently comes from someone who has no idea about the true reality of Greek life and simply wants to perpetuate an ignorant stereotype.  Congratulations Ferris State University for putting this piece of trash out there for the community to see and judge; you truly are a class act!!!

You don’t like the stereotype? Change it. Stereotypes exist for a reason, but they do not survive overwhelming evidence to the contrary over an extended period of time.

I’m very proud of my independence, rather than being co-dependent on mommy and daddy’s money/my “sisters” or “brothers.” Independence is a wonderful thing.

THANK YOU! Finally someone who agrees that if there wasnt a degree of truth to this then it wouldnt have been drawn.

There may very well be truth to the drawing but the issue at hand is the distasteful placement the day before Sorority Formal Recruitment starts.  There is no reason to put us in a bad light during this crucial time for the organizations when we try so hard to overcome this stereotype! 

As a Greek Ferris State Alumni, I am outraged that this was published in the Torch! This is beyond offensive and not what Greek life especially sorority life is about. This paper is supposed to be representative of Ferris State University, and quite honestly this is making me think twice about continuing to donate money to Ferris. If a cartoon was published stereotyping someone with a disability or using someone’s ethnicity this would have never been allowed to be published, I feel that this is just as discriminatory. I will not only be contacting Ferris State University but the Torch as well until something is done about this situation

Actually, The Torch isn’t quite Ferris. It’s student run, but not an RSO. I don’t think they get funding from the college, but I’m not sure.

I have an idea smarty pants, why don’t you make a cartoon of President Eisler in next weeks edition and see how well that goes over?

There’s the greek community and there’s Eisler. One is self important and gets overly offended over anything that portrays itself in a bad light, and the other has the position of president    

Actually, The Torch isn’t quite Ferris. It’s student run, but not an RSO. I don’t think they get funding from the college, but I’m not sure.

This is absolutely ridiculous. Greek life is a bond, a lifestyle, a sisterhood that you cannot understand from the outside looking in. If you don’t understand it, don’t judge it. If you haven’t been a part of it, don’t assume you know us. I don’t care what sorority you are from, we all deserve to be respected. We are not only beautiful, strong women but volunteer in the community and use greek life for networking and sisterhood, not for just a Friday night party. ALPHA XI DELTA ALUMNI♥

You don’t deserve anything just for being in a sorority. And “a sisterhood that cannot be understood from the outside looking in?” Get over yourself, you paid to have friends and dress with greek letters on your shirt. Believe it or not, strong friendships can be formed outside of greek life without the overwhelming feeling of superiority to come with it. It is a school club, not an undying blood-bond that “cannot be understood” by the others.

Being in a sorority doesn’t exonerate you from criticism, And if you actually think that elementary school era argument of “YOU’RE NOT IN IT YOU DONT  HAVE THE RIGHT TO JUDGE” is applicable, you still have a ways to go. 

This is offensive & reflects poorly on all students at Ferris as well as the University as a whole. The Torch & Mt Vestevich, specifically, owes an apology to the student body, namely those members of your school’s sororities

As an employee of The Gate, I would like to state that there are people of all walks of life who get drunk and make bad decisions. In fact most of the college experience is about learning who you are by making mistakes and growing from them. That said, stereotyping a group of people is a bad idea, it just promotes creating beliefs without any actual knowledge. Looking at it from the other point of view, someone said that the image is promoted from within, they are also correct. resolution to the problem? I don’t know if there really is one. Express your disapproval with the cartoon and move on with your life. It won’t really affect you in a week anyway. You know that the image is not true of all Greek life, even if it tries to portray itself that way.

The wonderful thing about this world is that, both sides have a right to voice their opinions and opinions are never really wrong because it is one persons belief. However, people should really only form opinions when they have full knowledge of something, though I doubt that will ever happen. (walk a mile in my shoes, and you will better understand who I am).

 The Greek system is the largest network of volunteers in the US, with members donating over 10 million hours of volunteer service each year. * Every U.S. President and Vice President, except two in each office, born since the first social fraternity was founded in 1825 have been members of a fraternity. * 76% of all Congressmen and Senators belong to a fraternity. 40 of 47 U.S. Supreme Court Justices since 1910 were fraternity men. 71% of those listed in “Who’s Who in America” belong to a fraternity. * There are 123 fraternities and sororities with 9 million members total. * Of the nation’s 50 largest corporations, 43 are headed by fraternity men. * A U.S. Government study shows that over 70% of all those who join a fraternity/sorority graduate, while under 50% of all non-fraternity/sorority persons graduate. 

Sitting around a table is about the least helpful way of volunteering that can still be called “volunteering.” Try doing actual labor.

Wow, Ferris students really need to chill out. Its a cartoon, if you don’t like it oh well. Its not meant to appease everyone and getting upset by it is ridiculous. Also, encouraging Ferris to control what is posted in the Torch? Really? Grow up, get over it.

Wow, Ferris students really need to chill out. Its a cartoon, if you don’t like it oh well. Its not meant to appease everyone and getting upset by it is ridiculous. Also, encouraging Ferris to control what is posted in the Torch? Really? Grow up, get over it.

I am not Greek, but really? This is quite possibly the most immature thing ever. One would expect it from TV or movies, but for a college paper to endorse such a negative stereotype is horrible.

Generally the people who make fun of a certain person or type of people, have jealousy issues on many levels.

I think an apology is warranted in this instance.

I am not Greek, but really? This is quite possibly the most immature thing ever. One would expect it from TV or movies, but for a college paper to endorse such a negative stereotype is horrible.

Generally the people who make fun of a certain person or type of people, have jealousy issues on many levels.

I think an apology is warranted in this instance.

Just because  the editor is involved with BGC doesn’t mean he knows anything about any other organization. Being part of BGC does not give you the right to print this because “you know for a fact this goes on”. BS! BGC, IFC, and Panhellenic Council are three VERY DIFFERENT organizations. The BGC women may partake in such actions (who hasn’t seen them) but that doesn’t mean the Panhellenic women do. The editor said he approved the print because he has seen hazing and drinking at BGC initiations…let me as him one question…has he observed the same actions at a PANHELLENIC initiation? If the cartoon was to mock BGC, then check your facts because that’s a Panhellenic shirt. However, if that is meant to attack Panhellenic, what ground do you stand on, what have you personally seen? 

I understand that opinion comics are opinions and meant to
draw comments but I can’t understand why you would want to anger such a large
group of current students AND alumni that are actively involved with Ferris. If
students are not involved with Ferris while there are here or after they leave
they most likely won’t give two hoots about your paper. You seem to be
offending a large group of your most consistent readers. Does that seem like a
good idea?

This cartoon is disappointing. Many people who aren’t involved in Greek life just make assumptions based on media portrayal of sororities and fraternities. You might find if you do some research that these stereotypes aren’t fact… 

DZ LAM

Taking this in a whole new direction here… so stick with me..

It is a proven fact that the more a student gets involved with a campus, the more likely that the student will not only be academically successful but is more likely to continue their education at the institution that they started at. 
It is also a proven fact that a freshman’s first year on a campus will effect their decision to return for further education.

The frustrating thing about this comic is not that it’s a stereotype, or that its about sorority girls or even that it is about Greek life….NO!… it is frustrating that as a VERY PASSIONATE Student at Ferris, I strive for getting students involved and in making connections with not only people but with groups. And to take a groups slogan for recruitment, a group that is not only trying to better themselves but the students  and the community also (direct your attention to page 2 of the Torch), that you would deliberately slander their efforts to get students interested IN GETTING INVOLVED. I don’t really care if the girls that attend formal recruitment decide to join the organization..BUT I do want students to at least go out and check them out…get to know more students. CREATE CONNECTIONS. Many freshman do not know this campus or the groups on campus and as this portrays sorority girls as not just drinkers, but binge drinkers,  without allowing them the time to actually get to know ALL that the Greek community does for Ferris and Big Rapids, well it may have prevented a person from attending and ultimately getting involved in a FERRIS RSO.  
I also think that it is ridiculous that you would want to slander a group of Ferris. I understand that we are all allowed to have free speech but really..? We all attend Ferris, we should all take pride in our university, that includes that groups that we have here. I don’t care if you don’t always agree with them, we’re all bulldogs, lets all take some pride in our University and the students that make it such a great institution. 

 I will speak on behalf of the Greeks and say that it wasn’t until I joined the Greek Community that I became very involved at Ferris and ultimately shaped me into the person I am today, the student I am today and the passion I have for the University. 

I am willing to bet that half of the people SOOOOOO anti-Greek, just didn’t get in. They probably harbor bitter anger and feelings. It’s ok to be jealous, upset, angry…try to take it out in some other more productive fashion.

Why do all greeks think that people who don’t give a shit about going greek are bitter because they werent accepted? Maybe i was accepted but i didnt want to be a part of a bunch of crazy backstabbing binge drinking bitches who slept with each other boyfriends. and yes that is all true of greeks at ferris. You are not a higher human being because you got a bid, its not hard!

Lol.  “Didn’t get in.”  You’re so delusional.   I know so many people who have left because of how shitty it is.  Also, I bet no one who has an opinion against Greeks every pledged or whatever you call it.  

like OMG SO anti-Greek. Like what the F. Like why do you guys keep like picking on us. We are like here to help the community. Ya know, like help people and stuff. That’s what we Greeks do. Help the people, not party. Well at least when we arn’t in our letters, he he. Golly I wish everyone would just stop being so dang jealous of us cauz we so cooooo. OMG GOI (get over it) 

Oh my, thinking everyone who doesn’t agree with you is an embittered reject. If that isn’t the cutest, most narcissistic delusion I’ve heard all day.

And then get charged with assault. And then never graduate, because it’s not like that’s why you went to college in the first place, right? GO GREEK, YEAH! WHAT THE FUCK IS A DEGREE, ANYWAY?

Yeah, like, totally!!?!

GREEK IS THE ONLY IMPORTANT FACTOR WHICH DEFINES MY LIFE SINCE I CAN’T DO IT MYSELF!!!

 …because being associated with the Greek society is the only way to have a life?… you clearly are the doushebag.

Don’t you think the back of this shirt should just say Ferris State University? Why only sterotype Greek women? This is more a depiction of the student body at Ferris. This is not a debate about which students drink, and which ones don’t. We all know college students drink. This is about not feeding into the negative perception of Greek life during recruitment week. Someone wrote that “Perhaps the greek system should consider the image that it projects to the rest of the campus (an image that is agreed upon by a large number of non-greeks) in addition to their many honorable accomplishments.” Fair point, but how is the Greek community supposed to show people the real reasons for being involved in the Greek system when people like the artist are basing their perception of the system off of  a handful of Greeks they have interacted with in the past. Has the artist met EVERY Greek at FSU? Probably not. While I appreciate that the artist wants to call out sterotypes and spark debate- maybe they shouldn’t target such a small specific group of women on campus who struggle enough trying to combat negitive perceptions.  

And all the non-Greeks claiming that we “were forced to do community service hours” should know that is so far beyond the truth. If I didn’t want to be part of an organization that encouraged me do well in school, help others and allowed me to make great life-long friends and network connections, THEN I NEVER WOULD HAVE JOINED. Greek life isn’t for everyone- so stop knocking it just because it isn’t for you.

You’re missing the point.  Other organizations don’t wear shirts saying they “perfected class” if it weren’t for these ironic shirts this cartoon would have never been developed.  Don’t claim to have perfected class if you’ve ever hugged a toilet wasted or shit your pants.   Hell, frats always have beer themed shirts for membership…

I am the proud parent of a Ferris State Alumni who graduated Cum
Laud with two degrees. She was a member of the Greek council and a sorority
sister while a student at Ferris.
I am also a Journalism Major at a community college, I find this tongue and cheek form of “entertainment” offensive and objectionable. 
The job of a journalist is to “comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.” Journalism uses multiple forms of mediums to tell a story, including cartoons.  By using this cartoon, the “Ferris State Torch” is  telling a story that all “Greek sorority” sisters display this type of behavior, which in my opinion is biased, one sided and  potentially liable. Torch, you really dropped the ball on this one and it is my humblest opinion that you owe the women at Ferris State an appology.

I am the proud parent of a Ferris State Alumni who graduated Cum
Laud with two degrees. She was a member of the Greek council and a sorority
sister while a student at Ferris.
I am also a Journalism Major at a community college, I find this tongue and cheek form of “entertainment” offensive and objectionable. 
The job of a journalist is to “comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.” Journalism uses multiple forms of mediums to tell a story, including cartoons.  By using this cartoon, the “Ferris State Torch” is  telling a story that all “Greek sorority” sisters display this type of behavior, which in my opinion is biased, one sided and  potentially liable. Torch, you really dropped the ball on this one and it is my humblest opinion that you owe the women at Ferris State an appology.

This is absolutly rediculious obviously drawn by someone scorned by the greek system or someone not self confident enough to think they could join a greek organization. this is not only offensive but is a huge misrepresentation of the greek organizations mainly sororities on campus aparently the artist didnt bother with fact checking before they decided to humiliate themself with this drawing. Also i feel if you are a part of an on campus orginazation such as the torch you should be more respectful of the people that read your error full newspaper in the first place i persoon will no longer waste my time on this piece of garbage. Therefore if you were publishing this in hope of getting an audiance you severly dropped numbers from that catigory. perhaps you should think of a new career choice, i might suggest janitoral work.

Oh look another greek who cant spell and thinks that someone who doesnt desire to be a part of greek life is bitter, the world doesnt revolve around you.

This is absolutely horrible!  Being a alumni of Ferris and being an alumni of a sorority on campus I am ashamed that FSU would put something in the paper like this.  This is basically stating that Ferris is supporting all campus drinking by advertising it.  All the sororities on campus are great at they do, they have 5 star achievements, raise money for philanthropies, and put on events that many non-greek go to.  Lets see a cartoon about all the other non-greeks that go to Ferris and how they are stooped over a toilet too.  Greeks are normal people and do normal things, just like every other person on that campus.  Way to stereotype and classify yourself as a drinking college Ferris.  

Christ on a cracker. It’s a comic people. Kudos to Vestevich for drawing what on his mind. It’s sad that people are getting so worked up over this… take some of the anger and change something meaningful instead of arguing over the internet.

Its fair to say that “most” college students drink, leave it to greeks to get all butt hurt over one cartoon! If it was the same cartoon without the Tshirt everyone would think it was just funny. And all of you greeks can shove it for claiming to be the most involved on campus, plenty of students are way more involved and it has nothing to do with being greek. And saying that this has made the divide bigger between greeks and non-greeks, guess why that divide is there? Because you “greeks” walk around this campus and run parties like your better then everyone. That’s my twenty cents, keep up the good work Mr.V.

This cartoon is busch league. This subject isn’t about politics. The fact is, the greek community does more for the community, raises more money, gives more back, donates more time than the rest of the student body. Fraternities and Sororities work hard and don’t deserve that label.

Even though I am a non Greek on campus, I must say that I am offended by this cartoon. It seems as though the person that drew this cartoon is extremely ignorant to all the things that the Greek community does for campus and the Big Rapids community. The cartoon depicts only the stereotype that has been given to the Greeks based on Hollywood and cases in the media. If people took the time to see the benefits of all the philanthropy that is done by them each year and the family bond that is developed between the members, they could see the greatness that can be achieved by “Going Greek”.    
Doesn’t it also seem interesting that the paper has a large number of articles about the good things that Fraternities and Sororities have done for campus and then published this cartoon as well. Just the thought of someone negating all the hard work that has been done by publishing this cartoon is blasphemy. If someone wants to nitpick at everything on campus, there wouldn’t be enough space to write it all in the Torch for their four to six years on campus. In addition to that, lots of students on campus drink and to put only one group in the spotlight for doing so isn’t representing campus correctly. It only enforces the stereotype that has been going on for years. I would think that the Torch would want to be in the foreground of breaking these stereotypes as opposed to continuing to keep them alive on campus. I remember in high school how people always associated Ferris with being a “party school”, but let’s face it, we are way more than that and that is what lots of people don’t seem to know. We have some of the greatest programs in the nation and younger generations are finally beginning learning that. We are going against the stereotype that was given to us, so why must we feel the need to keep the Greek system in the same box?   

All I am asking is for the Torch to please be more cautious about what they put in the paper. To poke fun at sororities and fraternities, or any other RSO for that matter, isn’t classy.

Neither is having a repeat history of alcohol abuse, but that doesn’t stop them from claiming they “perfected class”. When you make grandiose statements like that, don’t be surprised when people call you out.

Even though I am a non Greek on campus, I must say that I am offended by this cartoon. It seems as though the person that drew this cartoon is extremely ignorant to all the things that the Greek community does for campus and the Big Rapids community. The cartoon depicts only the stereotype that has been given to the Greeks based on Hollywood and cases in the media. If people took the time to see the benefits of all the philanthropy that is done by them each year and the family bond that is developed between the members, they could see the greatness that can be achieved by “Going Greek”.    
Doesn’t it also seem interesting that the paper has a large number of articles about the good things that Fraternities and Sororities have done for campus and then published this cartoon as well. Just the thought of someone negating all the hard work that has been done by publishing this cartoon is blasphemy. If someone wants to nitpick at everything on campus, there wouldn’t be enough space to write it all in the Torch for their four to six years on campus. In addition to that, lots of students on campus drink and to put only one group in the spotlight for doing so isn’t representing campus correctly. It only enforces the stereotype that has been going on for years. I would think that the Torch would want to be in the foreground of breaking these stereotypes as opposed to continuing to keep them alive on campus. I remember in high school how people always associated Ferris with being a “party school”, but let’s face it, we are way more than that and that is what lots of people don’t seem to know. We have some of the greatest programs in the nation and younger generations are finally beginning learning that. We are going against the stereotype that was given to us, so why must we feel the need to keep the Greek system in the same box?   

All I am asking is for the Torch to please be more cautious about what they put in the paper. To poke fun at sororities and fraternities, or any other RSO for that matter, isn’t classy.

As a previous Ferris graduate and current Ferris employee, and an alumnae of Phi Sigma Sigma, I was truly angered that you would allow a comic that is so disrespectful to a large group of students to be printed. I understand that opinion comics are opinions and meant to draw comments but I can’t understand why you would want to anger such a large group of current students AND alumni that are actively involved with Ferris. If students are not involved with Ferris while they are here or after they leave they most likely won’t give two hoots about the paper or other Ferris organizations which need all the support they can get to stay running. You seem to be offending a large group of your most consistent readers. Does that seem like a good idea? I did not join a sorority right away when I came to Ferris so I did see both sides of being a Greek and non-Greek. Once I joined the Greek system more people watched out for eachother when we were out having a good time then I ever had as a non-Greek student. There is so much more that goes on besides having a good time and paying dues. It’s very difficult to break that stereotype, we need more support from the media not trash. If you really wanted to show the poor choices of some students that could relate to this comic you went about it the wrong way. It’s almost like you are trying to making a statement but hiding behind the picture because people can draw so many accusations about how you don’t like Greeks but unless you actually come out and say that in words you can deny all you want and just laugh it off as a funny comic.

I’m pretty sure that the entire idea behind the comic is the irony of the shirt discussing being “classy,” while slumped over a toilet in a drunken stupor. This could just as easily be any member of any organization with a witty slogan on the back, but it just so happens that the majority of people sporting shirts saying such things happen to be greek members. 

This cartoon accomplishes exactly what political-satire cartoons are supposed to do: create controversy!! Nicely done.  Bravo to Ferris for publishing!  It’s a drawing, depicting no one in particular, simply turning a ridiculously overreaching phrase on a t-shirt on its head.

Note this study: http://journals.naspa.org/jsarp/vol41/iss1/art7/
“Results
indicated that Greek students tend to experience more problems related
to alcohol abuse, were more likely to fabricate sources, but were
similar to non-Greek students in their neglect of safe-sex behaviors and
in their frequency of cheating on exams. Both Greek men and Greek women
reported more alcohol use than their non-Greek counterparts, and Greek
men reported more use and more negative secondary effects of alcohol
than Greek women. The results provide partial support for considering
institutional context when examining the effects of student subcultures
such as Greek organizations.”

And for all of you who think that your Greek affiliation is going to carry you through your career, helping you weave a secure and successful future, guess again!  Being a member of a fraternity or sorority is merely a bullet point at the bottom of your resume that will get bounced after 4 or 5 years in the real working world.   I make hiring decisions with regularity for one of the largest design firms in a very large city (yes I am an old person, yet highly relevant, I assure you), and I can say with certainty that Greek affiliations mean absolutely nothing when weighing candidates.  It makes for fun when you go back for football games and homecoming, and good reunion-type cocktail parties, but really, it’s a blip on your radar of life.  And all those GDI’s that you rip on from your Greek enclave,  the person you interview with could be the girl or guy that you rejected.  Remember that.

Who am I?
– Your Future Boss. 

This doesnt just go for you but also everyone else commenting on this comic.   Before you go stereotyping and grouping all greeks together,  ALL PEOPLE ARE DIFFERNT!   Just because you met one greek who may have not had it all together doesnt mean there isnt ones out there who do have it together.  Many political figures and leaders in our country were members of Greek organizations.  Just because you chose not to doesnt give you the right to bash others who do.  Before you go bashing others or making accusations think about how it makes them feel.   

Who am I?
– The guy who takes your job!

P.S.  I cannot believe you are senior employee of a large design firm still, even with ignorance like this

I’m going to sleep well tonight, knowing that if this your GO GREEK, YEAH! version of English, my job is very secure.

I don’t know what you’re talking about, I’ve been to SEVERAL sorority parties and I’ve seen this countless times. The artist is really just depicting something that everyone sees but nobody says anything about, because you’re in a sorority. It’s an embarrassing truth that has really come to light. A lot of these girls are just kinda trashy, hiding under the “community involvement” title. Don’t make me laugh even harder.

Well, I’m sure this uproar is exactly what Mr. Vestevich wanted. So, congratulations. That being said, sorority ladies, don’t let this set you back. Please keep doing great things for the community, recruit fantastic new members, and being involved leaders on campus. I’m not Greek, but I am ashamed that the Torch continues to be an embarrassment with poorly written articles on generally useless topics and stupid cartoons like this.

Well, I’m sure this uproar is exactly what Mr. Vestevich wanted. So, congratulations. That being said, sorority ladies, don’t let this set you back. Please keep doing great things for the community, recruit fantastic new members, and being involved leaders on campus. I’m not Greek, but I am ashamed that the Torch continues to be an embarrassment with poorly written articles on generally useless topics and stupid cartoons like this.

Ok…I am a Greek alum from Ferris.  Lighten up!  I’m sorry, but I couldn’t help but crack up when I saw this.  I mean, if you can’t laugh at yourself…

Greeks are not better than non-Greeks.  We’re just different.

Ok…I am a Greek alum from Ferris.  Lighten up!  I’m sorry, but I couldn’t help but crack up when I saw this.  I mean, if you can’t laugh at yourself…

Greeks are not better than non-Greeks.  We’re just different.

To be honest I can’t say that I’ve seen a more accurate comic. When I attended Ferris two years ago, this was a common sight at almost every sorority and frat party that I went to (and I’ve been to a LOT of parties). Most of these girls are so engrossed in the fact that they’re involved in something “greater than themselves” that they feel like they’re owed something. Not only are they arrogant snobs, but they take it upon themselves to binge drink and provoke stereotypes ala Van Wilder and Animal House. Thanks for speaking the truth, Vestevich. I only wish these girls would face up to the truth and stop denying something we all know is reality. 

We aren’t denying that it sometimes happens… but to do this the day before recruitment starts makes it very difficult to overcome the stereotypes and attract new members. WE as a whole  (sororities) try very hard to keep people from doing this so we can get past the stigma of greek life.  I am a past president of a sorority at Ferris and I feel this is just absolutely disgraceful.  We don’t do things to deliberately hinder your recruitment process so why would you do something like this to us.

Apologism at its finest. Claim to have “perfected class”, and then demand a gag order when people show otherwise. 

To be honest I can’t say that I’ve seen a more accurate comic. When I attended Ferris two years ago, this was a common sight at almost every sorority and frat party that I went to (and I’ve been to a LOT of parties). Most of these girls are so engrossed in the fact that they’re involved in something “greater than themselves” that they feel like they’re owed something. Not only are they arrogant snobs, but they take it upon themselves to binge drink and provoke stereotypes ala Van Wilder and Animal House. Thanks for speaking the truth, Vestevich. I only wish these girls would face up to the truth and stop denying something we all know is reality. 

To be honest I can’t say that I’ve seen a more accurate comic. When I attended Ferris two years ago, this was a common sight at almost every sorority and frat party that I went to (and I’ve been to a LOT of parties). Most of these girls are so engrossed in the fact that they’re involved in something “greater than themselves” that they feel like they’re owed something. Not only are they arrogant snobs, but they take it upon themselves to binge drink and provoke stereotypes ala Van Wilder and Animal House. Thanks for speaking the truth, Vestevich. I only wish these girls would face up to the truth and stop denying something we all know is reality.

To be honest I can’t say that I’ve seen a more accurate comic. When I attended Ferris two years ago, this was a common sight at almost every sorority and frat party that I went to (and I’ve been to a LOT of parties). Most of these girls are so engrossed in the fact that they’re involved in something “greater than themselves” that they feel like they’re owed something. Not only are they arrogant snobs, but they take it upon themselves to binge drink and provoke stereotypes ala Van Wilder and Animal House. Thanks for speaking the truth, Vestevich. I only wish these girls would face up to the truth and stop denying something we all know is reality.

Right, because I have never ever seen a girl of another sorority or a non-greek in this position….. (sarcasm)

Without debating about the validity of the content I will say this. The Torch exhibited a major lack of class when they decided to publish this.

Without debating about the validity of the content I will say this. The Torch exhibited a major lack of class when they decided to publish this.

I personally think this is hilarious simply because I don’t walk around in a shirt saying how classy I am while I’m getting wasted. If sororities and even fraternities want to change how they are perceived they need to think about how they are portraying themselves in public. Even if you’re not wearing a shirt to identify yourself as a Greek, you are still in the public eye and could still be recognized as a member of that organization and you are representing not only your organization but yourself. You can still drink and have fun in a classy way, it’s when we see you falling over yourselves and slurring your words that your class is brought into question. And that last sentence goes for everyone, Greek and non-Greek.

I personally think this is hilarious simply because I don’t walk around in a shirt saying how classy I am while I’m getting wasted. If sororities and even fraternities want to change how they are perceived they need to think about how they are portraying themselves in public. Even if you’re not wearing a shirt to identify yourself as a Greek, you are still in the public eye and could still be recognized as a member of that organization and you are representing not only your organization but yourself. You can still drink and have fun in a classy way, it’s when we see you falling over yourselves and slurring your words that your class is brought into question. And that last sentence goes for everyone, Greek and non-Greek.

I am very disappointed in the torch, and the person that decided this was a good idea to post this. Did you just want to get a stir by upsetting people? Maybe you should actually stop trying to be a smart-aleck and actually write about news. You obviously do not know very much about the greek community… and way to single out the sororities. YOU sure seem to be classy…

he’s only pointing out a simple truth, and that is that Sorority girls like to get wasted. Refer to my first comment, I think you will find it very intellectually indulging. (that is, however, unless you’re a sorority girl) :/

Brilliant Comment! Totally hits it on the head, all I joined a sorority to do was get wasted. I mean this is the most intellectually indulging post I have read ALL DAY!
Give me a break. Before you start judging a group of people, maybe you should walk a mile in their shoes. Seeing as you are clearly a male, you have never seen the struggles FSU has with recruiting for formal recruitment in the first place. Of course you would shut your eyes to the great things we do such as RAISE AWARNESS AGAINST THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR, how we dedicate hours upon hours of community service, raising money for charities in need, fighting to obtain the highest education possible. So please enlighten me on how you know every single “sorority girl” to ever attend Ferris State, actually any university or college, then also please enlighten me that each one answered all they like to do is “get wasted.”

You are angry about stereotyping, but you say, and I quote, “Seeing as you are clearly a male….”

Holy gender stereotyping, Batman!

have you seen a male in a sorority before? didn’t think so.. as to why he would not personally know any of this. as to why i said that … i didn’t slander the male gender so what the hell would i be stereotyping?
its a common well known fact that females are in sorority’s and males in fraternity— some are co ed but you should have been able to depict from this cartoon that Panhellenic is NOT.

If that’s the case, please don’t use the phrase “walk a mile in their shoes,” because according to your own rules in your above comment, he could never understand the struggles of recruitment. Honestly, the worst part of this whole ordeal is seeing the rotten side of all these members. Many of these comments are coming off as elitist or arrogant, and that’s what’s making a real impression on the readers of this page.

boo hoo. He’s a comedian. Maybe sorority girls should stop crying and get over this. It’s a stereotype. Does a lot of Greek life circle around parties and alcohol? Yes. Does that mean every single Sorority girl is like this? No.  We get it. Chill out and learn to laugh at yourselves. 

I am very disappointed in the torch, and the person that decided this was a good idea to post this. Did you just want to get a stir by upsetting people? Maybe you should actually stop trying to be a smart-aleck and actually write about news. You obviously do not know very much about the greek community… and way to single out the sororities. YOU sure seem to be classy…

he’s only pointing out a simple truth, and that is that Sorority girls like to get wasted. Refer to my first comment, I think you will find it very intellectually indulging. (that is, however, unless you’re a sorority girl) :/

Has anyone noticed that this cartoon is  found by clicking on the ‘Opinions’ link? That’s because this cartoon is an opinion, and whether you like it or not, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. 

This is totally offensive to many people.  and any of you out there that are commenting on this and saying it is true or trying to make some B.S. reason as to why this is alright should rethink what you are saying.   Is it a bad thing that some people can balance school and having fun, while doing community service and such.    Those of you saying this comic is ok think about this:  Out of all the RSOs on campus 8 got 5star status last year.  I know for sure one of these was a greek organization.  What does that say?  We dont do anything good but we got 5star while the RSO you are in got 4 or 3 star???    How does that work?

Has anyone noticed that this cartoon is  found by clicking on the ‘Opinions’ link? That’s because this cartoon is an opinion, and whether you like it or not, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. 

This is absolutely ridiculous.. I cannot believe that a school paper would post something like this.  This is making its way around the internet (I found it on a blog).. and its making your school look like shit.

I’d like to say there are many guests here who are making this all to personal.

Without verbally attacking anyone, I’d like to say that this situation is completely disappointing and only goes to show that The Torch could have made better choices this week.

So JV decides to make this cartoon based on the freedom of speech (or freedom to draw in this case), which is everyone’s right as a citizen in this country. Big deal, right? Wrong. 

JV – If you would have published this cartoon two months from now, you’d probably get a little hate mail as usual. I mean, that IS the life of a journalist/cartoonist. What you and your colleagues at the Torch need to realize is:

1. You published the article of Bree’s passing in the same edition.
2. You published both articles the week of Sorority Recruitment.

Your timing was horribly wrong and you and your colleagues have clearly offended many for these reasons as stated above.

Let this be a lesson to everyone who read The Torch today…..

To the students at FSU – have fun but remember why you are there – to learn!

There is a reason why FSU has the “party school” stereotype and it’s not to be blamed solely on the Greek system. It may sound crazy to some, but with the Univeristy, Panhellenic and Greek National Office rules and regulations, “Going Greek” has helped so many women make better life choices with all the programming for membership enrichment (building self-esteem, etc.) and hazing (which is strictly forbidden) and alcohol education. These programs are intended to educate these women on how to be accountable for their actions and to reinforce friendship and sisterhood. There is a particular sorority that has won numerous awards for their programming on such topics and I am happy to say that other sororities have adopted these programs.

To the sororities at FSU – It is our duty to be responsible for ourselves and each other. Respect your sororities by recuiting women who have leadership qualities, have demonstrated academic success in the past, have confidence, want to be involved on campus and have the potential to successfully lead your sorority in the future. Don’t just recruit someone because they’re cute and look like they know how to have a good time. If you recruit the right women, your sorority image will change. The panhellenic image will change. The Greek life image will change and then maybe one day, others will start to follow suit and the FSU image will change. “Be the change you wish to see in the world”….lead by example, my sisters.

Ladies, if you have the positive qualities that we are looking for: GO GREEK!

Okay, if you guys aren’t trying to propel the stereotype yourselves, why is there a fraternity at Ferris that has modeled their rush shirts after a Pabst Blue Ribbon bottle? Yell at them too if you are just mad about stereotypes.

Edit: Fraternity is Sigma Pi as far as I know. I just wanted to cover my bases so you can’t claim it’s not true.

I just love how everyone’s first reaction is “I DO THIS FOR THE WORLD or I’M SMART” to justify something. ITS A JOKE. LAUGH.

P.S. if you are a Sorority and you aren’t doing something like the girl pictured is doing, you are probably a pretty lame Sorority. Just saying…..

Keep it up Cuz
-Lurie

Last week the torch published an article that was very offensive about atheists. Unfortunately, the atheist population on campus is low, so their  voices did not get to be heard. What I find almost more offensive is the sororities getting all hot and bothered about a comic, when they can turn a blind eye to last weeks article? This isn’t about you! This is about the torch publishing horribly bigoted and offensive things. It really makes it seem like sororities don’t care about anyone but themselves. Injustice is injustice, it doesn’t matter who it’s about. So even if nobody cared that my beliefs were trampled over in last weeks paper, I will support your cause because I don’t want this to keep happening.

Well, as a non-Greek member of the student body, I have a different perspective to consider. Perhaps Mr. Vestevich had no intention of (as people have been saying) “slandering” sororities with this cartoon. I believe he was just poking fun at the odd choice of slogan for a sorority recruitment shirt. 

Whether you are Greek or you are not, you have to admit that ‘party’ and ‘drinking’ are a few terms that come to mind when a sorority or fraternity are mentioned. We as a society have been spoon-fed that image by the entertainment industry for decades. I personally would not connect the word ‘classy’ with a college party of any sort. The vulnerable image of a girl hovering over the toilet is a prime example of something quite far from ‘classy’, which explains why he used that particular image to really nail the point home. So before you begin typing your defense of the entire Greek system, consider Vestevich’s intent may be elsewhere entirely. He is a design student, he’s trained to look at things like that and analyze them in his own way. Especially when it comes to displayed type. At least he has a sense of humor to go along with it, I think this cartoon’s hilarious.

On a side note….

For the members of sororities who truly believe this will affect your potential new recruits’ opinions of the Greek system, then I fear you have not done a good enough job to show them otherwise. Instead of leaping on the defensive and attacking the Torch or the artist, show your recruits why this is not a good representation of sororities and prove it. Otherwise, this cartoon may as well be accurate.

I am Greek at another Michigan University and saw this from a friends facebook post.  You are all being very dramatic, if you would have just let it be – it would pass in a day or two.. now (lol) your f***ed.  You are just ruining your reputations.  Stick together and keep your traps shut and let media be media and the smart people will see past it.  Those are the girls and guys you want to recruit anyways.

Good luck with your stupid drama
 

Of all the things to get fired up about in the world today it just strikes me as odd that people would choose this. Taxes are being raised, programs cut, immigration issues, a ridiculous dependency on foreign oil, and the use of petroleum products in general, wars that we do not need to be fighting, and numerous other environmental, social and political trends that are truly alarming. 

Stop fretting over things that do not really matter. Stop trying to one-up the last comment with a “nuh-uh, we do community service, and get good grades” or “it is a known fact that all people in Greek life get wasted.” Because both sides are wasting their breath.

Focus on things that matter people.

Nothing is more important that respecting other people and being fair and kind to all… Fuck taxes… Who cares.

Nothing is more important that respecting other people and being fair and kind to all… Fuck taxes… Who cares.

My husband is currently deployed in Afghanistan. I am very aware of the bigger issues in the world. That does not give somebody the right to disrespect someone or a group of people in any way. This “comic” has fired up a lot of people including myself and obviously people are going to voice their opinions and stand up for something they are a part of.  You are exactly right the world is filled with bigger issues but creating something this disrespectful and false is uncalled for. If John didn’t want to irritate people with his pathetic picture, well then he NEVER should have had it published. That’s just that, the picture should have never been published. Do you think it would be okay to have this picture with a FSU football jersey on, soccer jersey, FSU nursing, FSU business, FSU faculty, FSU pharmacy, FSU public relations, FSU etc. etc. etc.?! Absolutely NOT! That is discriminating and harassing a particular group of people. It should never be done. That “comic” never should have been published.
 

Even if the comic had a different text on it, the Greeks still would have taken offense because GREEKS ARE IN ALL OF THOSE THINGS.  Heck, if you look at earlier posts on this, now people are attacking John about the old homecoming comic.

I just don’t feel that it is right to point fingers at a group. I’m not saying that Greeks don’t participate in drinking, BUT Greeks surely are not the only people on campus that do. AND there are Greeks who do NOT binge drink as mentioned before and there are non-Greeks who DO binge drink. This comic is a stereotype. This is college. Some people will binge drink some will not. I don’t understand the point to create a comic that puts down sororities or ANY other individual or group of people. We are all Ferris State University students. Sure John is a cartoonist this is his job to show people how he views the world. That doesn’t mean it is ok to disrespect people, Greek or not. Maybe a more appropriate shirt would have said “college”. Yes labeling college with partying, binge drinking, etc. is also a stereotype but at least it wouldn’t be singling out one small group. It’s just disrespectful.

The homecoming comment I’m sure is because MOST if not ALL the people running for homecoming king and queen are greek… When I ran there was only 1 possibly 2 people on the whole court who were  not affiliated with a greek organization.

At least they don’t draw Cartoons for a living! Hahaha your parents must be proud John.

hahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahah Ughhhh…. you’re probably a tool bag. and im sure you have no where near the brain capacity to understand anything about design… nor the fact that john is a national cartoonist winner. so, at least he will have a job you loser.

After viewing your “comic” I am shocked and disappointed.  Are you active on campus besides creating pathetic pictures that are 1: not humorous, 2: insulting, and 3: embarrassing to yourself and the Torch? Do you know any facts about Greek life? No need to respond, your actions have proved an obvious answer here. The Greek Community at FSU participates in activities that benefit the university, the community, and our alumni members. Greeks hold a solid GPA while still being active on campus in a positive way. What have you done for the university, the community, and alumni of FSU besides disgrace them with the presence of your ignorant “comic”? I feel that an apology in the next Torch to ALL GREEK members is necessary. Not that it will erase the “comic” from our memories, but after being so disrespectful I feel that it is the least you can do.

After viewing your “comic” I am shocked and disappointed.  Are you active on campus besides creating pathetic pictures that are 1: not humorous, 2: insulting, and 3: embarrassing to yourself and the Torch? Do you know any facts about Greek life? No need to respond, your actions have proved an obvious answer here. The Greek Community at FSU participates in activities that benefit the university, the community, and our alumni members. Greeks hold a solid GPA while still being active on campus in a positive way. What have you done for the university, the community, and alumni of FSU besides disgrace them with the presence of your ignorant “comic”? I feel that an apology in the next Torch to ALL GREEK members is necessary. Not that it will erase the “comic” from our memories, but after being so disrespectful I feel that it is the least you can do.

For those of you who say that it is so offensive that this cartoon ran in the same issue of that with the sorority sister’s obituary.  I believe that it is an honor that her story was told by the Torch, the same as the police officer’s whose ran a few weeks earlier.  They are both alumni who we are sad to see leave us.  However, the article does describe the car crash as being at 1 a.m. and with alcohol involved.  This is somewhat aiding the stereotype described in the cartoon, no?

What a pathetic low life you are to to belittle the deceased– you have no one else to fight with so you know that they cannot respond in writing that you have to criticize her life. Accidents happen every single day whether it is someone greek or non greek. We are GRIEVING the loss of such an amazing person who shed a positive light on everyone, she was taken much too soon and in a way no one would have ever imagined to see her go. No one got to say good bye, no sisters were even with her that night– so how dare you blame this unexpected accident on her being in a sorority.
SHAME ON YOU!!!!

How dare you write something so low, and even more how could people like that crap?  You will get what is coming to you, what goes around comes around you fool.  Talking about a deceased person, what the hell is wrong with you?!  

 Please share with me your name and address so that I can give you whats coming to you you worthless piece of trash. I am not greek– think the cartoon is hilarious and people need to get over themselves–  I do know that you are one piece of work that needs an ass kicking for saying something like that!

Do you know what newspapers do? They make comments like “alcohol may have been a factor” before toxicology reports and autopsies come back. Did you see hers? Did you know her? Well I did…she was one of my closest friends

If you knew Bree at all, you would know that she was one of the brightest and most amiable people I have ever met. To dishonor her with what you just said is horrific.

I don’t even care if you reply to this. I know, as well as all of my sisters, that Bree did not deserve what was coming to her. You are a hateful human being.

At first, I was outraged by this cartoon. Then I realized that it was his right to post it. I also understood that active sisters need to be trying to do everything in their power to make sure people don’t think this about them anymore. I’m not mad at the artist anymore. No, I am only angered at people such as yourself who take a tragedy and make it a joke…wow

Take it as free publicity ladies, i am Greek and i think this will actually help rush. Complaining about it won’t do anything, we have free press for a reason 

This is the most talk about Greek Life ive ever heard and having been Greek for 4 years id say this a good thing as far as rush goes. 

Forgive me, but isn’t one of Ferris State University’s main themes diversity? And within that, discouraging stereotypes and encouraging unity within the student body? I could be mistaken but it was my understanding that this applied to the ENTIRE student body. Ferris has a very large group of Greek organizations, social as well as professional.  This  comic doesn’t “destroy our image” like someone commented before, but it definitely doesn’t help it, especially during our formal recruitment. This also reinforces the stereotype of Greek life being reduced to alcoholism and completely overlooks all the good we’ve done. I personally did over 125 hours of community service last year and got accepted into pharmacy school. I’m not an anomaly  in the scope of Greek organizations. There are many of us with a strong commitment to the Big Rapids community, our studies, and friendships with Greeks and non Greeks alike.

You’re most likely on the 8 year college degree plan… and you won’t have the Dr. title to go with the time spent… You’re a moron.

Yah! You’re right! Im so stupid and uneducated that I never see people being pressured into substance abuse… underage or not. My level of education must be determined by the name I chose so I guess maybe it was a bit inappropriate.

My sincerest apologies for not sounding intelligent to you 🙂

This is how society views sororitys not just the ferris torch school newspaper LOL deal with it and move on, if you don’t like the stereotype then don’t party every other weekend like most of you do. Notice I said most, not all.

Since I am a 30+ year alumni, I feel safe in saying that the faces change, the lame old excuses never do. What made all the other Greeks and I different is that we all had the guts to get out of the dorms and find out the facts for ourselves. If you are incapable of doing so, I suggest that you keep your traps shut.

I think that everyone should be entitled to their opinion… and nobody should have to “keep their traps shut”.

The only funny thing about this “cartoon” is that i’ve on more than one occasion seen john like this or so drunk that he drove himself home.

maybe you should make a comic about it. i bet he will get REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY  mad. ya kna?

I have hosted several community service events that sororities at FSU have signed up for, and almost always only a fraction of their group showed up, as the rest was spending their night doing something similar to this cartoon and was unable to make it in the morning.  This is not exactly what I would call “classy” and this is the very thing that this cartoon is poking fun at.  Like it or not, sororities have developed this reputation around campus, and its not because of stereotypes, it is because many many people have experienced situations similar to what I have.  I have no doubts that many sorority girls have done amazing things for the community and that many sorority girls will go on to do great things in the future, but that doesn’t change the fact that sororities have done things to develop this reputation.  

Being a Ferris student, I find that most Frat guys are douchebags, and also quite a few of them are rapists. I also find a pretty hefty average of sorority girls to be a bit loose and or bitchy. And both groups drink FAR TOO MUCH. Every night you can find parties at some Greek House. So stop saying you aren’t, when you totally are. I’ve seen tons of sorority girls do the drunken slut walk at Cranker’s at 2am. 

Woah… that’s kind of a jump. It’s not fair to assume that. I’m not a fan of some of the people that are showing their true colors on here, but I’m not going to brand people as sluts or rapists. That’s just cruel.

Data:

“Presence of a
Greek system. A number of single institution studies have found that
members of Greek organizations are more likely to drink compared with
other students (Klein, 1989; Lo and Globetti, 1993; Werner and Greene,
1992). Each of these studies reported that Greek affiliation—living in a
Greek house, belonging to a Greek organization, intent to join the
Greek system—is correlated with higher rates of heavy episodic drinking,
frequency of drinking and negative consequences. The findings of these
studies have been corroborated by data from the College Alcohol Study
(Wechsler, 1995) and the Core Institute (Cashin et al., 1998; Presley et
al., 1993b). Wechsler found that 60% of the fraternity members had been
heavy episodic drinkers in high school and more than 75% of fraternity
residents who had not engaged in heavy episodic drinking episodes in
high school became heavy episodic drinkers in college. Greek living did
make a greater significant contribution than other variables that were
studied.
Cashin et al. (1998) found that fraternity and sorority
leaders used more alcohol than nonmembers and members alike and
speculated that these leaders are participating in setting drinking
norms for their groups. An earlier data analysis (Presley et al., 1993b)
found that Greek house residents had extraordinarily high levels of
problematic alcohol use and negative consequences compared with students
in general.”

PRESLEY, MEILMAN, LEICHLITER  http://www.collegedrinkingprev…

Sober College Student:  First off, sororities are not allowed to wear their letters when out drinking, so to say that you’ve seen tons of sorority girls do the drunken  slut walk at Cranker’s at 2am is a complete false statement.  Secondly, I’ll quote you “I find that most frat guys are douchebags.”  You probably don’t even know 2% of the frat guys at Ferris State so to say that is again false, and very childish.  Grow up and get a life, and stop watching National Lampoon movies on how they depict the greek lifestyle.

A 30-second google search turned up this gem: 

“Presence of a Greek system. A number of single institution studies have found that members of Greek organizations are more likely to drink compared with other students (Klein, 1989; Lo and Globetti, 1993; Werner and Greene, 1992). Each of these studies reported that Greek affiliation—living in a Greek house, belonging to a Greek organization, intent to join the Greek system—is correlated with higher rates of heavy episodic drinking, frequency of drinking and negative consequences. The findings of these studies have been corroborated by data from the College Alcohol Study (Wechsler, 1995) and the Core Institute (Cashin et al., 1998; Presley et al., 1993b). Wechsler found that 60% of the fraternity members had been heavy episodic drinkers in high school and more than 75% of fraternity residents who had not engaged in heavy episodic drinking episodes in high school became heavy episodic drinkers in college. Greek living did make a greater significant contribution than other variables that were studied.
Cashin et al. (1998) found that fraternity and sorority leaders used more alcohol than nonmembers and members alike and speculated that these leaders are participating in setting drinking norms for their groups. An earlier data analysis (Presley et al., 1993b) found that Greek house residents had extraordinarily high levels of problematic alcohol use and negative consequences compared with students in general.”

PRESLEY, MEILMAN, LEICHLITER  http://www.collegedrinkingprevention.gov/supportingresearch/journal/presley.aspx

I cannot believe that this was allowed to be printed. Clearly this perosn has no idea about Greek life. The person who did this as well as those who allowed it to be printed should be ashamed of themselfs, but then again the Torch has and always will be garbage.

If any other Registered Student Organization did something this disrespectful towards another organization they would be put on suspension or kicked off campus. The same should be done for this bogus newspaper. 

So…..do Greeks have a higher GPA because they are more likely to have past copies of the exam, or is it purely merit? Sorry for the stereotypical reference.

I have never raped anyone while being a pike. Sure we all get drunk and shit happens. But I mean rape. This is distasteful. 

Maybe you aught to figure out what rape really means, becuase it sounds like you actually may have raped someone

Honestly you all are offended by this? Its a comic that shows a one sided view of the very commonly viewed sorority life. Its a comic meant for humor and a laugh you all need to calm down just a bit and grow up. Enjoy a joke.  Have fun its college life. Find a bigger issue to waste your tiny little life with.

The best way for Greeks to defend themselves is to follow what the shirt says… Act classy. Trying to scold somebody online isn’t going to change anything. Instead, do something about it in a classy way. Change the views of others about Greek Life, encourage your sisters/brothers to behave in a way you want your organization to be seen, and start getting more strict on the drinking habits among the organization. Your actions will speak louder than words, and will bring a great amount of respect to you all both now and in the future.

I’m not a part of Greek Life, but I know a ton of people who are and who really do participate in bettering the campus, community, and others’ lives. 

I don’t know what you Black Greek Council people do, Mr. Editor, but I can assure you the women of Panhellenic are  WAY better than that. As evidenced by your need to print this to take the negative attention off you and on to a group who clearly doesn’t deserve or do what this portrays.

Now that I have cooled down about this cartoon, I would like to apologize for saying anything that could have offended anyone. I would like to identify a t trend I am noticing. This is no longer a cartoon about stereotyping, people really hate the Greek System and are now just trying to be malicious. I have read comments of people saying that people in the Greek system are sluts and rapists, that is downright slanderous and these claims have absolutely no basis to go off of. I am not saying that everyone should like each other and the world is rainbows and sunshine, but this is getting downright nasty. Was I Greek as a college student, yes. Did I also go to nursing school and get good grades without the help of older sorority sisters, yes. Did I have a numerous amount of friends that were not Greek, absolutely. I understand people have had bad experiences with the Greek system, I have had bad experience with people who were non-greek, and greek. I feel that everyone is passing judgement on things that they are unaware of, yes maybe some people who are Greek drink to much, but as a former student I know the same is true of students who are in the Honor’s program or Ferris State athletes. As an alumni who has been off campus for a few years, I ask that everyone step back and maybe try to get to know one another as INDIVIDUALS instead of stereotype everyone as whole. I understand the Greek system isn’t for everyone, but I hope everyone can work together to make Ferris a better place. Since there is such a debate over this cartoon, I challenge all of you Greek and Non-Greek to comment here or make your status on facebook, “I am proud to be…. “. Example: I am proud to be a GDI, I am proud to be a pre-med student, I am proud to be a Ferris State Bulldog, I am proud to be an Alpha Xi. Instead of all the negativity let’s try to have something positive come out of this situation.

To the cartoonist: I commend you for creating something that has stirred up this much debate. You have truly accomplished the goal of many editorial writers and illustrators. Bravo, good sir. I fully support your right to express your views and hope that you will continue to do so. I look forward to seeing your work in this nation’s publications.

To the greek system members, family thereof, supporters… etc: get off of your high horse. There are good apples and bad apples in every bunch. This cartoon is a representation of the commonly held belief that this is how greek system members act. No one is implying that this is the way all of you act, but this is the image that you have to deal with. If you don’t like it, change it. Bring the hammer down on drug and alcohol abusers among you. Kick them out. Remove them from the group which affects your image. And stop being so bitter that someone disagrees with your life choices. You’ll meet a lot of people like that in life. Don’t get all high and mighty because you were invited to join a club, and stop comparing this to race and human rights issues.

To the people who are using the stereotype portrayed in this cartoon to bash the entire greek system: There are good people in there, too. It is unfair to pool everyone into one group based on the actions of whatever percentage of sorority sisters that the girl in the picture represents. Don’t jump on the bandwagon. You don’t like the greek system? Don’t join it. Didn’t join it? Good for you. Don’t get all high and mighty just because you didn’t. You do your argument no favors by verbally abusing your opponent. Rather, you are hurting your own credibility, as well as that of all of those who support your view. 

To both sides of this argument: you want to prove the other side wrong? Don’t drink to excess, study hard, and make something of yourself. Prove your argument right. I guarantee you that if you pursue this goal, the whole world will be a better place for it.

For the sake of full disclosure, I will admit that I was never a member of the greek system. I didn’t apply, but many of my friends did. I stayed friends with some of them, but not with others. I spent 7 years at a state school (that is not FSU) pursuing undergraduate degrees in psychology, economics, and anthropology, as well as a juris doctor. I spent a significant amount of time with my friends at their fraternities, and was witness to many instances of both the best and the worst that the greek system had to offer.

As an active member of a Fraternity, this cartoon is sadly very accurate.  What people aren’t realizing is that this picture doesn’t necessarily illustrate that all Greek members are drinkers and irresponsible.  The greater message is that Greek life has always done a really great job of misrepresenting itself and, quite honestly, shooting itself in its own foot.

As a member of a Greek organization, you are holding yourself to an higher standard in the public sphere.  Everything you do is a representation of your organization as a whole.  So for every community service event that do that improves the image of your chapter, the exact opposite could be said of someone wearing your letters getting “blitzed” at a party.  No matter how much time you dedicate to worldly causes, the stereotype of the drunk, belligerent, rude, obnoxious, slutty, fratty and what have you, will always exist while you give it fuel to burn.

  

The people flipping out about this comment would like you to believe that the Greek system makes excellent citizenry, that are able to fully participate in our democratic republic, and may even be superior citizens to us non-Greeks.  Yet  many of the Greek proponents clearly have a problem with the free exercise of speech. Needless to say, you can’t have a free society without free speech. Their strong negative reaction, in particular the ridiculous assertion that this is not protected speech  which obviously stands in contradistinction to the facts (unless you cite precedent, there is no compelling reason to think else-wise), clearly indicates that these young adults are utterly incapable of being responsible actors in a free society.  By reacting in such a childish way, the proponents of the Greek system have embodied an even more stinging criticism of the Greek system than the cartoonist ever intended.  It’d be deliciously humorous if it didn’t have such profound consequences for the continued existence of free society.  Frankly, I’m legitimately worried that some of our most active citizens (taking the Greek pronouncements concerning their civic duty in all good faith) are so woefully ignorant about the very philosophy and law underlying our republic.

Have the Greek students not learned even a modicum of US 20th century history?  They should be well aware of the fact that spouting nazi garbage is, excluding the well known exceptions, protected speech.  Obviously this is not as hateful as nazi crap, so why wouldn’t it be protected speech?  Alas, I fear my well thought out arguments are lost upon those who need to hear them the most.

I wish this comment could be posted on a billboard for all those complaining to read. You are 110% right, and this has, by far, been the best and most coherent argument of the entire battle. I hope that you officially write this in to the Editor so that it may be published for all those who do physically read the paper. Thank you good citizen. 

Wow, the “Greeks” here are pretty touchy. Let us not play games. Everyone knows you sluts joined the Sorority to get drunk and be elitist. Overreacting is a sign of guilt. This is free speech.. Y so Serious?

I don’t know why everybody’s up in arms about this cartoon.  He is clearly commenting on the high prevalence of Bulimia within the sorority community. 

 so you must know every single female who has ever joined a sorority at every single university then hey? it’s funny–4  years at ferris and I did not know one single person with an eating disorder.

     Do not apologize for what you’ve done Torch. You’re a news paper, and this is a CARTOON. The fact that these people in the Greek atmosphere *because they seem to think they’re above everyone else* obviously don’t know how to take a joke. Has any one heard any legal or libel suits being brought against “The Big Bang Theory” or the “Revenge of the Nerds” saga? No? Why? Because nerds can laugh it off. Enjoy being who you are, and accept the good with the bad. Accept that not everyone is going to like you, and that by forcing them to like you isn’t going to work either. You can’t buy popularity in the real world, and you can’t pay dues out of a stereotype. Laugh it up, shrug it off, and turn the other cheek. 
      You (and I mean all of you “representing” -using that loosely- the Greek community) have just proved how absolutely intolerant and hateful you can be to others. You’ve done nothing but be a detriment to your organization. I once thought that maybe I would like to join an organization such as yours, but now I see its not one of acceptance or community. I would never wish to associate myself with a group of people that can’t take criticism or a joke no matter how hurtful it may be, and I would never wish to be a part of a mud-slinging, ill-informed and non-empirical campaign the likes of which you are leading. Your logic in 9 out of 10 arguments is flawed, and to make matters worse the 1 out 10 that presents a decent case is written from an egotistical point of view, and not working to make up a common ground or come to any sort of resolution.      

This comic has reached the internet at large, so here is an explanation of the hoopla for any non-American that is unfamiliar with fraternities and sororities:

Fraternities and sororities are essentially social clubs within American collages that students join. They are also known as “Greek” groups, due to the fact that their organizations’ names are usually a combination of three letters from the ancient Greek alphabet.

Due to a combination of their representation in popular culture (movies, television, etc) and the very real fact that many students in these organizations engage in excessive drinking and partying, there is a stereotype of the “frat boy” and “sorority girl” of being drunken, disrespectful louts.

At some point, these groups decided they wanted to clean up their image (due to in no small part than the fact that a school does not want to be associated with underaged and binge drinking) and the organizations and their members prefer their public image to be associated with community service and the brother/sisterhood that they promote. Many members of “Greek” organizations will even be offended if you refer to them as “frats” because of the popular perception of the “frat boy”.

However, it is disingenuous to say that sororities  and fraternities are only about community service and fraternal togetherness and that excessive drinking and partying isn’t a very real problem that permeates the culture of *some* of these organizations. There are many of these groups that do not engage in irresponsible behavior. There are many that do. I think what this cartoon is saying that although many people within “Greek” groups like to push the idea that they don’t promote binge drinking and the reputation is caused by a few individual “bad apples” that would be found in any large group of people, that the reality of the situation (for many) is different from the whitewashed image that these organizations are putting forward.

When I went to visit my sister in school last year I went to the bathroom and found a girl laying on the floor of the mens room next to a toilet wearing a shirt with a similar message, my brother and I still joke about it today.  Funny how art imitates life.

Frats and sororities do lots of good community service, it is true that their GPA’s tend to be higher than average, and you can learn a lot from being in a Greek organization. That said, people get trashed, and throw up, and sometimes do stupid shit. Is it possible that, much like other groups of people, fraternities and sororities are mixed bags?

Besides, even if this doesn’t represent what a sorority is about, do you really think it’s inaccurate? This happens all the time.This is coming from someone in a fraternity, albeit at a different school.

I support anything that makes fun of Sororities because all they do is get hammered and cheat on their boyfriends with the “Nice Guy from the Frat Next Door”

And the only reason they might have a higher GPA is because they cheat. They all collect the exams answers from previous years and know which teachers don’t change the answers at all.

No I’ve dated enough sorority girls to know it’s the truth. And trust me, I’m smarter than you’ll ever be sweetheart.

How did I cheat may way to a 3.5. graduating GPA when no other sisters were in my program before me? hmmnnn i guess i also must have cheated my way through national boards, and regional boards in order to become a licensed health professional. Sorry- no I worked my ass off to obtain the career that I have today and I had NO help from anybody, so how dare you say that all I did was cheat.
Before you start making obscene comments– maybe you should do some research first.

Are you mad because there was no sister you could cheat from? Or you’re getting called out on being a cheating slut?

 That would be neither “BobJones”. I’m not pleased with how uneducated people are making claims about others just to make themselves look cool. It is absolutely ridiculous. I would never insult someone I did not know just because of a group they are associated with.. and ESPECIALLY if I didn’t know jack squat about the group. So if you want to get to know me inside and out… then make claims. fine. go ahead. But don’t go ahead in life thinking you are all high and mighty because you can call someone you don’t even know a thing about a “cheating slut” over the internet.

Im totally for “racism” against greek life.
Anyone participating in “greek” life should probably be moved to a small island and left there.

College children are a riot. Spend a few weeks away from mom and dad and suddenly you are experts on civil rights, slander laws, oppression? 

ABLOO BLOO BLOO! Our sororities are being oppressed! ABLOO BLOO BLOO! It’s like, black people, right? ABLOO BLOO BLOO! I mean, it’s like TOTES RECRUITMENT WEEK! We are SO gonna be embarrassed that we didn’t get as many as 2010! ABLOO BLOO BLOO! SLANDER! LIBEL! SUE SUE SUE! ABLOO BLOO BLOO!

Lighten up, Francis. 

I really just would like to say: GREEKS, CALM YOUR SHIT. It’s a comic, it’s not like it’s a call to geeds to put an end to the Greek system. This is not nearly as big of a deal as you’re making it out to be. You *know* that people have these silly stereotypes, and although in some aspects they are grossly distorted, this picture is hardly slander. 

It. is. an. image. It cannot hurt you. You guys are the only ones making yourselves look dumb by shouting out random-ass sorority/fraternity statistics as if high GPAs and income have anything to do with binge drinking on the weekends. Fighting on the internet makes everybody look stupid, so if you’re so proud of yourselves why don’t you just rise above and get over it?

The humor isn’t in the person being drunk, that could be any college student. The humor is the fact that they are wearing a shirt saying how classy they are. Like it or not you don’t see non-greek students walking around wearing a shirt saying how wonderful and sophisticated they are. You’re a college student, you’re not a member of high society because you get on a party bus in a dress or tux once a year and go somewhere nice. Don’t be mad if somebody pokes fun at the dissimilitude between the image some greeks have of themselves and how they actually behave. It is incredibly rare to see a party at a greek house that anybody would consider “classy”.

That cartoon is awfully flattering to Ferris’ sororities. From what I’ve seen, most of the girls are notably fat.

If they insist on consuming drugs they should lay off the beers and switch to coke.

With all the horrific things going on in the world, wars, natural disasters,
global economic conditions, massive unemployment and such, this cartoon it what causes outrage…
you’ve got to be kidding.I think we all need to learn to laugh at ourselves a little more.

The values the greek system presents to the community is often not the same value system utilized by the members within their organization.  This picture reflects that fact.

I would like to say that the Torch is out of control for having this in a newspaper and should apologize, you are wrong. It is the freedom of speech, a core democratic principal in which our country was based. I do not see alot of people going off on other cartoons that is inside the Torch, or even the fact that if it was a Frat guy just playing football or cornhole 24/7 who would honestly say something?

Ode to a SorostituteAnd I bet you didn’t know 
everyone in class today was staring 
at the way your pants slid down 
just enough to show your red, skimpy 
thong. 
  
You were probably too busy planning 
your drunken date rape for the evening, 
with your sandals and your t-shirt matching, 
screaming Zeta Phi Beta at everyone 
who didn’t really want to know. 
  
And I bet you really do think you’re helping, 
a service to the community, while you pay 
five hundred dollars per semester for friends 
and parties, like the one where that cute Kappa Sig fucked you 
from behind, but it was okay because he held your hair 
for you while you vomited ten minutes later.Seriously though, paying to for friends and to be passed around like a bottle of crown seems rather stupid to me. 

I mean, the comic did what it was supposed to do, make you feel something. Good job John Vestevich. Satire: “The use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and
criticize people’s stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of
contemporary politics and other topical issues.” Or, more commonly known as taking a joke to the extreme. Not every campus has their Sorority GPA higher than the Women GPA, some do, some don’t. I can also safely assume that every single one of you posting knows somebody who drinks way too much, and ends up like this. If they are in a Sorority or not, it’s a joke. If you can’t laugh at it, or yourself, than you are the one with the bigger issues, not the people you are claiming to be racist. Just saying.

The fact that there’s even an argument about something like this tells me that maybe your GPAs should be a little higher before you try and “intellectually” criticize a CARTOON trying to SATIRIZE something.  Do you laugh whenever SNL makes fun of celebrities or political figures?  I bet you do, so stop being a hypocrite and take a joke for what it is, a JOKE.

Gosh if i remember correctly the tune goes a little something like this, “Here’s to sister ____, Sister ____, Sister ____, Heres to sister ____ whos with us today, shes horny shes sleazy shes so fucking easy! Heres to sister_____ whos with us today, Soooo drink mother F*****, Drink Mother F*****, Drink Mother F*****”….and so until until said sister finishes her drink…maybe if you dont wanna be portayed like the cartoon you shouldnt run around hammered in short skirts SCREAMING songs like this clearly to get attention.

I can’t believe this comic. Don’t they know that there aren’t enough toilets in the Sorority houses and most nights three or more girls share the toilets for their vomiting sessions? C’mon artist, educate yourself!

please educate me on when there has ever been sorority houses???? oh thats right there are none. “guest” maybe you should educate yourself!

So all of you are saying that you’ve never had one of these nights where you’re crouching over a toilet, maybe say, after a mixer of some sort?

Before you accuse the cartoonist, maybe you should think about that first

Wow, your seriously a d-bag for putting that up. You must be that guy in the corner that has no friends and gets rejected all the time. As for Ferris, what a disappointment that you would even let that fly… All professionalism right out the window. I can only imagine all the donations Ferris gets from greek alumni. I hope they all see this and cut that off. You defiantly just lost one plus everyone else I share this with.       

-You wanted to use you’re, not your.  Your implies possession or ownership.  You’re is an abbreviation for ‘you are.’ 
EG:  “You’re welcome.”  Or, “You’re a dingus.”
-The ellipses was unnecessary and  pointless.
-“All professionalism right out the window,” is an incomplete sentence.
-“You definitely lost one, as well as everyone else I share this with.” is the correct way to phrase that final sentence.

+Overall Grade: D-
You obviously didn’t read the class handouts.  Study harder next time.

I’m someone who now lives in apartments instead of on-campus because of one too many trashed bathrooms/piss stains in the hall/throwup/returning late frat boys/sorstitutes, etc. 

Thank god someone finally had the balls to say what everyone already knows to be true.

This is ridiculous. The more I see the claws out on these organizations and the people “supporting” them, the more I’m disgusted. At this point, I have no interest to even try to learn about your organizations if none of you can offer defenses aside from “You can’t understand until you’ve been there,” or “This is unprotected speech because I’m offended!”

Don’t even get me started on some of the nasty conversations I’ve heard around campus… Death threats? Insulting his life and claiming he’s unhappy “just jealous” because a greek organization rejected him? Let me ask you this, greeks. How do you expect to say things like that and not have people call you elitists? Snubbing and insulting others? If you are all really offended by the image this presents, why do you still allow drunken chants including letters or organizations to BASE THEIR RECRUITMENT ON BOOZE. (Looking at you, Sigma Pi. Nice Pabst Blue Ribbon shirts.)

The official organizations might want to speak up with calm complaints before their groupies make them look bad. 

Awesome, this is the typical 10-20% , yes not all but some and this is it right here, and let me tell you racism didnt start with cartoons you dunce,  its called feeling superior to one, and yes i feel superior to people who have to join clubs to justify their existence in this world… so much for being yourself.

I like the Greek system. A lot.
I’m not in it, but I have lots of friends in it. both sororities and fraternities.

This comic is also hilarious.

At my school (Memphis), the campus GPA statistics are released after each semester.  All four years that I was in school (2007-2011), the Greek Men and the Greek Women average GPAs far exceeded the average GPA for both the GDI Men and GDI Women.

Also, Greek Men and Women held 90% of the leadership positions for student organizations on campus.  Those leadership positions included the Up Til’ Dawn fundraiser for St. Jude, Service on Saturday, and the Student Government.  There is no denying, at least on my campus, that the Greek system is the driving force for fundraising and community service.

As far as the comic goes, whether or not you are in a sorority has very little impact on whether or not you are a drunk whore.  There will always be good girls and there will always be sluts.  The difference between the girl in the comic and a GDI is that the girl in the comic is more likely to have passed her test or completed community service prior to staying up late and hitting the bottles. 

“As far as the comic goes, whether or not you are in a sorority has very little impact on whether or not you are a drunk whore”FALSE! I, and many others, know that everyone (of age or not of age) are very pressured to drink and partake in substance abuse.

Greek membership is a bond GDI’s will just never understand.  Why try to explain it to them, they missed out, let them assume that what we did in college was stupid, wasteless, ditzy.   We know the truth and have a large circle of friends that would go to eternity and back for us.  Can most GDI’s say that?  Probably not.  

Lol Pike Bro! If I asked my parents for 400 dollars they would just laugh. My parents have to work very very hard for their money, and so do I. I also thankfully saw all the faults of greek life my freshman year and decided my time, money, and reputation was well worth preserving!

I think that they should have spent a little more time on the hair … it looks shaved.  Other than that.. spot on! 

Okay guys, come on.  We all know it doesn’t apply to everyone.  If you don’t want the stereotype perpetuated, examine what you and your sisters are doing.  Also, get over it.

Hey before you slander greeks do some research… Nationally, 71% of all Greeks graduate, while only 50% of non-Greeks graduate. The All Greek GPA is higher than the overall collegiate GPA Since 1910, 85% of the Supreme Court Justices have been Greek. 85% of the Fortune 500 key executives are Greek. Of the nation’s 50 largest corporations, 43 are headed by Greeks. 76% of Who’s Who in America are Greek.
 

Here’s 600+ comments summed up:

GREEKS,:”Like omg! They sooo did not just do that to us! Its US we’re talking about here.” 
Rest of society: “hahahahaha. That makes me want to go watch Animal House, Van Wilder, or anything put out by National Lampoon.”
GREEKS: “Dude-brah, you guys are terrible. That is like, so not what Greek life is about.” 
Rest of Society: “Really? Because that’s not what what I saw at Shooters last night.” 
GREEKS: “Oh yeah!? Well you’re just jealous because you don’t have all these friends that I do! I have the best friends ever, like, whoa”
Rest of society: “That’s nice, I’m glad that my friendships forged over years out of a mutual bond and common goals doesn’t mean anything because its not Greek. I guess you have to pay for quality friends. Congratulations. You’ve won the internet war. How big does that make your penis?” 

And so you’re all aware- There are more important things in life than a cartoon. I hope all of you can realize that. This has consumed too much of my time as it is looking through *and thoroughly laughing* at everyone here. Its time to get motivated about a bigger issues like HELPING people instead of getting a big case of butthurt over satirical drawing. If you want to make a difference, you have to be the difference. 

Thank you, John Vestevich, for such a deliberately false illustration.  Your cartoon is a great example of distasteful work, and counterproductive of any higher thinking one would expect from a student/cartoonist who’s works are published in the paper at an institute of higher education.   I am disappointed and expected greater things from you. 

I, for one, am horribly and deeply insulted that the Torch ran John Vestevich’s comic. It perpetuates a negative stereotype of a very central and important portion of FSU. No other group on campus works harder to ensure that this university is all that it can be. Perpetuating such stereotypes is tantamount to the white’s portrayal of blacks in the South during the Jim Crow era. By publishing this insulting garbage the Torch and Mr. Vestevich have shown themselves to be no better than racists or Nazis. Yes, some members make mistakes but this is true of most everyone on campus at some time or another and singling out this one group which has been working tirelessly to improve itself for decades is simply cruel and unfair. In short, shame on you all.

Here is a link to the comic in question: https://www.fsutorch.com/2011/03/23/opinions/cartoon-4/

Seriously though, if Greek students have this hard of a time accepting what is a pretty routine bit of criticism which if it were directed at any other group would get a slight chuckle and be immediately forgotten. But because it is suddenly the precious Greek system being mocked then let’s all collectively lose our heads. Guess what, everyone gets poked fun at at some point or another and the world hasn’t ended yet. In college I studied computer science (not at FSU, if that gives you an idea of how much attention this tantrum is getting) and am quite aware of the jokes of us being pale, fat, and anti-social all the time. Truth is, myself and many of my friends don’t fit this stereotype and just laughed and brushed it off.

The inability of the Greek system to take a bit of criticism says far more than the comic itself does.

Frats were always disproportionately popular at Ferris, I think mainly because of how shitty the town was/is. It’s the only viable social interaction. When I was there, the school had a few pledge deaths in a short span, and the school hosted a discussion panel for/against the ongoing usefulness of the greek system. The organizer was a professor of mine, and he knew that I was on the debate team, as I am an enormous screaming nerd. He was having trouble drumming up participants for the “against” side of the panel, so he asked me to participate. I spent the afternoon poking around on lexis, came up with a few choice tidbits, and went to the panel. It was held in Rankin (if I remember the name correctly), and the place was packed, PACKED, with what appeared to be every frat/sorority member on campus. It was a poorly run, live action version of that shitshow of a comments thread. As I had a mic, and loved to mix it up with fools, I presented my arguments clearly and cogently, only to be informed that “It wasn’t fair for me to be on the panel, because you’re trained in how to argue. It’s not fair.” It devolved from there. Death threats were received. I actually enjoyed writing for the paper. I got to do an opinions column, and handled the interviews for visiting speakers. I got to interview Brent Staples from the NYT (at the time), as well as Malcom X’s brother. The second time I received death threats involved my article on hunting season, in which the phrase “Vietnam with antlers” was used. 
Fucking rednecks. Went to a real school for graduate school. As an aside, to those pointing to Supreme Court Justices, etc. as proof of the merits of the greek system. Stop and consider the fact that not one of those folks was a Ferris grad. A far more cogent argument would be to point out the importance of these systems at Ivy league institutions, not some shitty suitcase school in an overwhelmingly disappointing midwest city. 90% of Supreme Court Justices were men, but you don’t hear me going on about how that means women suck. 

tl;dr You’re dumb. Quit whining, and enjoy your time as overgrown collar popped guppies in a small pond. Torch, thanks for being one of several bright spot in an otherwise lackluster undergrad experience. 

Ive been in a fraternity for 5 years. SUPER SENIOR!!! This comic pisses me off man. I mean, for real. Its like this “guy” john v. is so upset about not getting any pussy. Put on some letters and man up.

Come by the PIKE house with your cartoon…… BROS FOR LIFE….. PIKE ALL THE WAY!! We got your backs sisters. 

YEAGER BOMBS PIKE HOUSE NEXT SATURDAY.

To those who say Greek has better gpa and gives more money to alumni :

I’m a Greek too. Yea its offensive blah blah blah. But don’t act like you haven’t seen a fellow Greek sister pass out. Stop being in denial. Most of us party. Big whoop.

The reason why us Greeks can say we have higher gpa than non Greeks is because honestly, looking around, us Greeks don’t aim for the big majors like the non Greeks do. So it’s not really something to be boasting about. Plus, when our grades drop, we get kicked out. So of course Greeks are going to have a higher gpa. But doesn’t necessarily make us the best.

Yes Greek gives a lot to alumni. Only because we have to.

Greek does a lot on campus and gives a lot of volunteer hours. Only because we have to.

So, I don’t get why Greeks have their panties up in a bunch. I’m a Greek and I laughed my ass off looking at it. Have some humor you lames. Stop being in denial about stuff with a stick up your ass just because something has humor and a bit of truth to it.

Although people are upset by this comic I think its important to note that they do it to themselves. Alpha Sigma Tau had a shirt two years ago that said you can’t spell wasted without AST. If you want to use a slogan about class make sure your organizations have it before being offended.  

This isn’t the first time I’ve seen some random bimbo invoke a
completely irrelevant statistic or proposition to reply to a message
that suggests the slightest offensive idea to her.

For example, when someone says that men have it harder (referring to
life in general), I’ve heard women say “But if a girl is sexually
promiscuous, , she’s a slut, if the guy is promiscuous he’s a player!”. This
proposition has absolutely nothing to do with the adversities faced by
either gender and is merely a jaunt at at someone (usually a man) who is
debunking the culture of self-imagined oppression/victimization of
women.she’s a slut, if the guy is promiscuous he’s a player!”.
This proposition has absolutely nothing to do with the adversities faced
by either gender and is merely a jaunt at at someone (usually a man)
who is debunking the culture of self-imagined oppression/victimization
of women.

As for the rest of the comments? They are simply proof that if you try
to satirize whatever group is considered either or “morally superior”,
you will receive backlash that is grounded on their apparent
superiority. Notice how the insinuation that greeks lack class causes a
massive shitstorm where they attempt to prove their superiority by
citing statistics (whether fabricated or not) that supposedly prove that
greek students are superior?

It’s herd mentality at its finest. “Insult one of us and you insult us
all”. Even if that one is a caricature drawn inside the box of a comic
strip.

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